100 Watts

[snowdog]

That's a lot less than I thought, that's a tenner per month... Shows how this energy saving thing is pointless. Can save/earn much more money for just filling in some papers ( traveling costs for the days I work extra) or giving smaller tips at the pub.

Who has a bathroom so vast and so decorated that they need to wait for the bulb to warmup before they can see wtf they're going?

I certainly have never seen such a bathroom

I hate darkness inside a home, only 100w or 100w replacement bulbs in our house. Can't stand houses with low light at night. So the bathroom should also be as bright as possible imo.

Don't get me wrong I have nothing against energy saving bulbs, they work fine ( the 20W and more ones anyhow) and are very cheap in places ( like ikea), but the way normal bulbs were banned is a bunch of rubbish imho. The EU should not tell people what bulbs they should use.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Who has a bathroom so vast and so decorated that they need to wait for the bulb to warmup before they can see wtf they're going?

I certainly have never seen such a bathroom

Who stays in there long enough for it to warm up?

 

[Logsi]

Got a load of damn 50w Halogens at my place. I've take a load out of the sockets so we don't use as much power. Going to replace them to LED lights but at £12 a pop per light for some proper ones it's going to be a lot of cash!

 

[Sp00n]

It's a long term investment though, they last 25-50 times longer (from what I have read).

 

[snowdog]

Well that is indeed a massive advantage too, I use my light so often, normal bulbs had to be replaced once per 2-3 months, this current energy saving bulb is there for over half a year now.

 

[Captain_Slick]

Energy saving bulbs are too crap to work with dimmer switches though

No.

http://www.megamanuk.com/megaman-products/lamps/?series_name=dimmerable-series

http://www.gelighting.com/na/home_lighting/products/energy_smart.htm

 

[Sp00n]

Lol Dimmerable look's like such a terrible word.

 

[Dutch Guy]

It's a long term investment though, they last 25-50 times longer (from what I have read).

Compared to incandescent bulbs yes, but I have some 35W halogens in our ceiling that are used every night and have lasted 6 years so far.

I can replace them with LED's but I haven't done it as I fear that the light will look horrible and they cannot be dimmed anymore which is used when we watch a movie on the the TV.

 

[dbmzk1]

Almost all energy saving bulbs I've seen or used take seemingly ages to warm up, apart from the odd more expensive kind. And LED ones give a crap quality of light. And you've got to spend a fortune to get decent dimmable bulbs. Why pay £12 for something you can get for 60p and works better? I hate energy saving bulbs! Saying that though, 90% of my house is either energy saving or halogen.

 

[sanaxe1]

1990 called, they want their bulbs back.

 

[Big.Wayne]

Thanks for the feedback all!

How about 24/7 overclocked computers? How about folding? It can get pretty expensive

Nice one Uriel, nice to see someone "thinking" outside the box!

That's a lot less than I thought, that's a tenner per month... Shows how this energy saving thing is pointless. Can save/earn much more money for just filling in some papers (traveling costs for the days I work extra) or giving smaller tips at the pub

So if I am reading that right you are saying rather than make a few adjustments to your electrical appliances (bulbs, computers etc) you would rather fill out extra paper work and give less tips to offset the ££ but still burn up the kWh's

The EU should not tell people what bulbs they should use.

You seem to get quite "agitated" by anything eco? . . . why is that?

 

[snowdog]

You seem to get quite "agitated" by anything eco? . . . why is that?

Because that is not a reason to change behavior, why should we in Europe have to comply to all these rubbish rules while they build lots of new coal plants in China ? It is pointless since these types of rules only work if they are applied worldwide...

I see no point in the EU trying to be the ''best kid'' in class, especially since this goes at the cost of freedom and wealth.

It is not just eco things that annoy me I dislike authority in general and think freedom and wealth is more important.
But environmentalism and authoritarianism together simply winds me up much more than any other thing. I'm a conservative ( economic, environmental) liberal ( general).

Eco is only good if people can freely choose between it and the old ways, without any other disadvantage to continuing to use the old ways... So any eco subsidies do my head in, and eco rules wind me up even more.

So if I am reading that right you are saying rather than make a few adjustments to your electrical appliances (bulbs, computers etc) you would rather fill out extra paper work and give less tips to offset the ££ but still burn up the kWh's

Yes. Certainly won't be downclocking my cpu to save some power, it stays overclocked as it is.
While I can live with energy saving bulbs, in fact the 20+ watt energy saver ones are generally better for me than the old 100W ones ( especially the life of a normal bulb was an issue for me), I disagree with the way this has been forced on to people. EU should go back to making trading easy, improving infrastructure and cooperation in general. Not environmental issues or energy consumption. Or making more and more rules playing big brother over the people.

 

[Angilion]

All my "energy saving" bulbs buzz annoyingly. That annoys me much more than the time taken to come up to full brightness. Except for the one in a room I rarely use, which takes 10 minutes.

You only save energy with them when it's at least fairly warm. The rest of the energy used in incandescent bulbs is given off as heat, so for much of the year with "energy saving" bulbs all you're doing is moving the energy use from lighting to heating.

 

[snowdog]

You only save energy with them when it's at least fairly warm. The rest of the energy used in incandescent bulbs is given off as heat, so for much of the year with "energy saving" bulbs all you're doing is moving the energy use from lighting to heating.

Or never use heating except during the worst days in dec/jan. We never really use heating except when it's REALLY cold, we think it's a waste of money. In the average year we only use heating for about 15 days.

And, is heating by elec cheaper or more expensive than normal heating ( by gas, or city heating) ?

 

[Big.Wayne]

Question: What would the annual cost be to run a 100 Watt Light bulb 24/7 @ £0.14p per kWh

About £122.64p ?

£122.64

Nice one guys . . . my maths skills are pretty much "fail" but luckily I found this webpage with a calculator which agrees with your figures!


Click picture for calculator . . .

• 1000 watts = 1 kilowatt
• 1 kilowatt run for an hour = kWh
• kWh unit cost 0.xxp can be checked on ones electric bill
• Nuclear/Fossil fuel generated power = less kWh ££ cost (less eco)
• 100% renewable generated power = more kWh ££ cost (more eco)

 

[Big.Wayne]

I dislike authority in general and think freedom and wealth is more important

snowdog,

I'm wondering . . . do you think that Nature/Mother-Earth/Gaia/Biosphere etc could be considered as an "authority" . . . which ultimately governs your personal "freedom and wealth"?

 

[snowdog]

snowdog,

I'm wondering . . . do you think that Nature/Mother-Earth/Gaia/Biosphere etc could be considered as an "authority" . . . which ultimately governs your personal "freedom and wealth"?

Nope. It's just a resource for humans. Authority is just the big daddy government making lots of rules only a minority wants or profits from with disadvantages to the majority.

 

[ron3003]

14p a unit is way too much to be paying for daytime electricity unless you're on an E7 tariff with a low nightime rate to offset it. You could get a much better deal , try the comparison sites.

 

[Jonny69]

Because that is not a reason to change behavior, why should we in Europe have to comply to all these rubbish rules while they build lots of new coal plants in China ? It is pointless since these types of rules only work if they are applied worldwide...

Your argument was first identified in 1987 in a book called Our Common Future. That is, it's an old out of date argument. Today it's called leading the way and others follow.

Even if you don't care for the environment, don't waste for the sake of waste.

 

[Berserker]

Well I have a couple of Philips Softone bulbs and they are crap.

Yes, they are - or at least the Ecotones I have are. As they fail I'm currently replacing them with Osram Dulux and Philips Genie, both of which have been fine. Not sure what else I've got in the cupboard (freebies).

The other one I have that's crap is the Tesco one in the bathroom. I had trouble finding ones that would fit when I got it but the 8W Genies that I now have might work (though I'm reluctant to waste a daylight bulb on the bathroom).