10700f or wait for 11th Gen?

[AyeAyeAhoy!]

So it's the ever present dilemma... Upgrade now or wait for the next release?

I picked up a Gigabyte Vision D for a good price last week, and grabbed a 10700F for £295 to go with it. Over the past few months I've picked up some RAM & an m.2 SSD, so I finally have the bits for an upgrade!

However, I've just realised that the 11th Gen chips are to be announced in a few weeks and potentially released by the end of Feb.

So, is it worth waiting? If I'll save £40 on the 10700F then I'm not so fussed - would rather just have it now. But if the 11 series chips are the same price or cheaper, then it seems waiting might be an idea.

And before anyone asks, I need to use this with Avid MC, which is much happier with Intel setups. I also like the lower voltage 65w of the 10700f, and the Vision D is chosen due to the onboard TB3 ports, plus the supposed ability to use the 11th Gen chips and then PCI-E 4

Any thoughts much appreciated

 

[AyeAyeAhoy!]

Also worth noting that both the MOBO & CPU are still sealed and can be returned for free for a full refund till the end of Jan.

 

[VoG]

Well given the supply issues with both AMD's 5 series cpu's & Nvidia's 30 series gpu's ide be inclined to just go ahead & use the 10700f becuase i fully expect there to be supply and /or distribution issues with Intels 11 series chips due to the ongoing cluster#### that Covid19 is causing the world over.

 

[mickyflinn]

As above it will probably be another mess like recent lauches, if you can wait for 11th gen intel then ryzen 5000 will be widely available.

 

[butter30]

If the current CPU releases are any indicator getting your hands on 11th gen will be difficult. I would just upgrade to 10700f, with tech there will always be something better in a couple of months time.

 

[pc-guy]

I would wait for the rocket lake to drop and see.

amd CPUs are gradually become more and more available now. I can see quite a few stores hold at least 5600x in stock now.

in a few months time there will likely be wide availability and discount when rocket lake drops. As rocket lake is new, it will have supply issues.

Also the early engineering sample doesn’t look great.

there has been loads of people saying that rocket lake will be a lame duck due to the backporting and an architecture that is fundamentally in its infancy. It will take quite a few coves to get the architecture into what the lakes were etc.

Buying 10th gen intel is basically buying a well refined architecture and a really highly optimised fabrication. Where rocket lake you are getting neither.

DDR5 is really not much to think about. Early adopters will have compatibility issues etc. Also the prices will be really high. By the time the tech matures, the next gen ddr will be around the corner.

I am a fan of buying mature tech as I get less headaches and cheap prices. I keep my system for a few years. So I am happy to do a complete overhaul when required.

 

[Hakanese]

I would wait for the rocket lake to drop and see.

amd CPUs are gradually become more and more available now. I can see quite a few stores hold at least 5600x in stock now.

in a few months time there will likely be wide availability and discount when rocket lake drops. As rocket lake is new, it will have supply issues.

Also the early engineering sample doesn’t look great.

there has been loads of people saying that rocket lake will be a lame duck due to the backporting and an architecture that is fundamentally in its infancy. It will take quite a few coves to get the architecture into what the lakes were etc.

Buying 10th gen intel is basically buying a well refined architecture and a really highly optimised fabrication. Where rocket lake you are getting neither.

DDR5 is really not much to think about. Early adopters will have compatibility issues etc. Also the prices will be really high. By the time the tech matures, the next gen ddr will be around the corner.

I am a fan of buying mature tech as I get less headaches and cheap prices. I keep my system for a few years. So I am happy to do a complete overhaul when required.

Pc-guy is absolutely right. I'd go with his suggestion

 

[Destination]

The claim is the intel chip replacement will nail the 10th gen in single thread and lose to it in multithread.
Trying to catch AMD, and regain the 1080p fps crown, as the cost of workloads.

 

[AyeAyeAhoy!]

Thank you for all of the replies. I think either way then, I need to have a think!

Also, much to my delight, it seems I was wrong about Avid - turns out it's fine with Ryzen these days. So, that changes things!

Would it be a better idea to grab something like a Ryzen 5 5600x (in stock and available for about £300) and an Asus ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING which has a Thunderbolt 3 header, then just stick a TB3 card in there when I need it?

 

[Tetras]

You're jumping about like a jack rabbit man, there's nothing wrong with what you have, a 5600X won't be much different.

 

[pc-guy]

You're jumping about like a jack rabbit man, there's nothing wrong with what you have, a 5600X won't be much different.

Atm I think he s running a 4790k. He s got some intel parts (not complete build yet). So he s wondering which platform to go to.

I don’t know what avid or what it does. But look into it does it A) need specialist codec either intel or AMD can accelerate on hardware level B) able to distribute across as many cores, if so your answer is AMD all day every day.

gaming wise nothing between AMD and intel (ok AMD system is slightly better but the FPS gain finished when you talking about 1440p and 4K then with RT on all GPU bound).

m.2 storage solution, AMD got more PCIe4 lanes so you can hook up more m.2 drives than intel atm. Personally that is a biggie.

 

[AyeAyeAhoy!]

You're jumping about like a jack rabbit man, there's nothing wrong with what you have, a 5600X won't be much different.

I really am, I know! I'm just sort of finding it hard to make my mind up I guess, and I think it's because I'm trying to do too much with the build.

I'm a pro editor, and I occasionally 'wet hire' me and my kit. Currently I'm cutting a show using my 2020 iMac edit setup, which is lovely to work on. The iMac would be my preferred system to dedicate to work. All of my peripherals (Blackmagic Box) connect through Thunderbolt 3, so it'd be good to be able to use them on any machine I have.

So I'm upgrading my home PC which I use for general use and light gaming. Avid is pro editing software (most blockbusters are cut on it) which I use and with this machine I'd like to be able to easily upgrade it in the future to handle proper editing, should a big job want me to be working on a Windows environment.

So I'm building a low powered home PC for light gaming, which also needs to cut broadcast long format programming... It's like asking for a bodybuilder who can win the 100m sprint.

I think I need to just treat this as a gaming PC and take it from there. My reasoning for getting the 10700f is that it's a nice low powered chip that should game nicely when needed to, and if someone hires me with my kit in the future, I can just slap an 11th Gen i9 in there with 64gb RAM and crack on.

Atm I think he s running a 4790k. He s got some intel parts (not complete build yet). So he s wondering which platform to go to.

Yes, so I'm currently running a 4790k with 32gb RAM and a 3060ti, plus a bunch of SSD's etc.

In boxes, in the house and ready to go, I now have an...

i7 10700F
Gigabyte Z490 Vision D
Crucial P5 1tb M.2 SSD
16gb (2 x 8gb) Crucial Ballistix 3200 MHz DDR4

Re-using my current case, PSU, cooler, GPU & 1440p 165hz screen, I should now have a full build finally.

gaming wise nothing between AMD and intel (ok AMD system is slightly better but the FPS gain finished when you talking about 1440p and 4K then with RT on all GPU bound).

m.2 storage solution, AMD got more PCIe4 lanes so you can hook up more m.2 drives than intel atm. Personally that is a biggie.

This is interesting, as I think I should probably just treat this as a gaming PC for now, and worry about editing on it when (if) the time comes. I don't need lots of M.2 drives, though the board does have 3 slots.

The Vision D only cost me £190 new, and as the Thunderbolt ports are on the backplate (where most boards just have a header and require an extra £100 PCI-E AIB) I'm getting a good upgrade for the money.

To go to an equivalent Ryzen setup would cost more by the time the TB AIB's are accounted for, plus I'd need to write to Nocturna to ask for the free AM4 bracket for my NH-D15, so it's more expense and hassle...

 

[AyeAyeAhoy!]

Buying 10th gen intel is basically buying a well refined architecture and a really highly optimised fabrication. Where rocket lake you are getting neither.

DDR5 is really not much to think about. Early adopters will have compatibility issues etc. Also the prices will be really high. By the time the tech matures, the next gen ddr will be around the corner.

I am a fan of buying mature tech as I get less headaches and cheap prices. I keep my system for a few years. So I am happy to do a complete overhaul when required.

I think then perhaps just running the 10700f would be good. Use it, enjoy it, then upgrade to DDR5 perhaps when Ryzen go to it or around Intel's 14th Gen or so

 

[4K8KW10]

So it's the ever present dilemma... Upgrade now or wait for the next release?

I picked up a Gigabyte Vision D for a good price last week, and grabbed a 10700F for £295 to go with it. Over the past few months I've picked up some RAM & an m.2 SSD, so I finally have the bits for an upgrade!

However, I've just realised that the 11th Gen chips are to be announced in a few weeks and potentially released by the end of Feb.

So, is it worth waiting? If I'll save £40 on the 10700F then I'm not so fussed - would rather just have it now. But if the 11 series chips are the same price or cheaper, then it seems waiting might be an idea.

And before anyone asks, I need to use this with Avid MC, which is much happier with Intel setups. I also like the lower voltage 65w of the 10700f, and the Vision D is chosen due to the onboard TB3 ports, plus the supposed ability to use the 11th Gen chips and then PCI-E 4

Any thoughts much appreciated

More realistically is to expect the new CPUs to land in April or the very late days of March as the earliest.

I think then perhaps just running the 10700f would be good. Use it, enjoy it, then upgrade to DDR5 perhaps when Ryzen go to it or around Intel's 14th Gen or so

More likely 12th gen will be with DDR5. Early 2022 perhaps.


Leaks point to 11700K performance being equal to 10900K's...

It depends on what your performance demands are. For the best performance, AMD platform with higher budget is the choice.

 

[AyeAyeAhoy!]

It depends on what your performance demands are. For the best performance, AMD platform with higher budget is the choice.

I think this is the crux of it really - I was going to go for the i5 10600kf, as it's performance would be fine for me, but I chose the i7 in the end as I didn't like the idea of running a 125w CPU... 65w sounded far more appealing.

So I've already stepped up the budget and performance from what I really need - doing it again, more, to go Ryzen is starting to get more expensive than i really intended

 

[pc-guy]

I would be very careful with intel board implementation of m.2 slots. Intel processor only has 16 pcie lanes. Where amd has 20 which brings the 4 lanes for m.2

Also the pcie is 3 vs 4.

 

[Tetras]

I really am, I know! I'm just sort of finding it hard to make my mind up I guess, and I think it's because I'm trying to do too much with the build.

I'm a pro editor, and I occasionally 'wet hire' me and my kit. Currently I'm cutting a show using my 2020 iMac edit setup, which is lovely to work on. The iMac would be my preferred system to dedicate to work. All of my peripherals (Blackmagic Box) connect through Thunderbolt 3, so it'd be good to be able to use them on any machine I have.

So I'm upgrading my home PC which I use for general use and light gaming. Avid is pro editing software (most blockbusters are cut on it) which I use and with this machine I'd like to be able to easily upgrade it in the future to handle proper editing, should a big job want me to be working on a Windows environment.

So I'm building a low powered home PC for light gaming, which also needs to cut broadcast long format programming... It's like asking for a bodybuilder who can win the 100m sprint.

I think I need to just treat this as a gaming PC and take it from there. My reasoning for getting the 10700f is that it's a nice low powered chip that should game nicely when needed to, and if someone hires me with my kit in the future, I can just slap an 11th Gen i9 in there with 64gb RAM and crack on.

I can understand you, because I've done the same thing in the past, trying to mix two different use cases and it always ends in a big headache.

The 10700 seems like a good compromise for this situation and the motherboard will give you the Thunderbolt you'd need, but I don't know much about the requirements for this software and if there are other issues that would make a desktop gaming PC unsuitable, like pc-guy mentions about the PCI-E lanes, there's also max memory support, max CPU cores, etc, so if you regularly got big jobs you might even be looking at a HEDT system?

 

[AyeAyeAhoy!]

I would be very careful with intel board implementation of m.2 slots. Intel processor only has 16 pcie lanes. Where amd has 20 which brings the 4 lanes for m.2

Also the pcie is 3 vs 4.

I think with this board you loose SATA ports of you utilise certain m.2 slots. Again though, I only need the one really. And PCI-E 4 is supported on the board of using an 11th Gen chip, so it's not totally off the table!

I can understand you, because I've done the same thing in the past, trying to mix two different use cases and it always ends in a big headache.

The 10700 seems like a good compromise for this situation and the motherboard will give you the Thunderbolt you'd need, but I don't know much about the requirements for this software and if there are other issues that would make a desktop gaming PC unsuitable, like pc-guy mentions about the PCI-E lanes, there's also max memory support, max CPU cores, etc, so if you regularly got big jobs you might even be looking at a HEDT system?

Thank you, glad in not the only one!

I do think that the right thing now is just to put together my parts and have the Intel setup. Realistically I think this setup will be fine for what I do. My workflows are very locked down and lean - on each production I have an Edit Assistant who's job it is to transcode all the media down to easy to edit proxy's, so I'm never really stressing a machine too hard. An i9 with 128gb Ram and a good gfx card is plenty enough, and easily possible from this base.

By the way, if anyone's interested, here's a little thing about how Avid uses hardware...

http://www.avidblogs.com/how-avid-media-composer-uses-a-computer/