11600 vs 10700F

[/\ndy]

Putting together a new SFF build soon, primary use gaming and small productivity loads i.e. video encoding h264

I intend on using the H570 chipset, so I can't overclock the CPU hence why I'm opting for either of these.

I can't find any benchmarks for the non-k 11600, but if its anything like the 11600k then I'll be pleased.

You can pick up a vanilla 11600 for around £230, however you can also grab a last gen 10700F (dont need onboard gpu) for the same price.

I can't find much on the 10700F, is it any good? I see a lower TDP on both of these at 65w due to the lower base clock, but I assume the turbo clock kicks in when it needs to so makes no difference to me.

Thoughts?

 

[Socialdistancing]

If you can’t OC, then the sensible choice would be on the price. Which can be obtained cheaper. Both are decent processors. The i7 has the advantage but don’t pay over the top for older tech.

 

[Socialdistancing]

Plus the AMD Ryzen market is a good second hand area. You may be able to make a system just as good but saving cash considering AMD.

 

[mickyflinn]

2 things to consider is ths 10700 has 2 more cores but lacks pcie4.

 

[/\ndy]

If you can’t OC, then the sensible choice would be on the price. Which can be obtained cheaper. Both are decent processors. The i7 has the advantage but don’t pay over the top for older tech.

Plus the AMD Ryzen market is a good second hand area. You may be able to make a system just as good but saving cash considering AMD.

Trying to avoid AMD this time around, I don't fancy the second hand market tbh just a personal preference and they are not competitive in terms of pricing right now especially for lower end.

2 things to consider is ths 10700 has 2 more cores but lacks pcie4.

Never thought of that, not that I can utilise PCIe 4 now but would be nice to have the option down the road. It would be nice to have the extra cores, but judging from benchmarks on the 11600k vs 10700k there isn't much between them which I found surprising.

 

[HangTime]

Tough choice because your use cases are 'contradictory'. The 11600 will likely be better for gaming, and the 10700F likely better for content creation. As you've said the productivity loads are 'small' the presumably it won't be the end of the world if they take a bit longer, so perhaps that tips it in favour of the 11600.

 

[Journey]

11400(F) instead of the 11600, no point in paying more for the same, just use the motherboard features to tweak the CPU speeds/boost duration.

 

[Cooler running]

11600k, like the 10600k is the best product on Intel's new catalogue. Presumably they just don't have enough die space with the single die and 14nm fab to cram everything they need to compete with the 3 chiplet Ryzen parts.

In terms of the 10600 (non K) I assume you'll see a roughly ~4% drop in peak performance and a 40% reduction in power draw. They are the same chip just with different binning and bios locking. The only coverage I've seen of it is this youtube video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8tbgDTHGbU

Hopefully when the 10nm parts come in Winter they will take the PC market by storm and force a response from AMD at the high end.

 

[/\ndy]

Tough choice because your use cases are 'contradictory'. The 11600 will likely be better for gaming, and the 10700F likely better for content creation. As you've said the productivity loads are 'small' the presumably it won't be the end of the world if they take a bit longer, so perhaps that tips it in favour of the 11600.

I'm inclined to agree with you there.

11400(F) instead of the 11600, no point in paying more for the same, just use the motherboard features to tweak the CPU speeds/boost duration.

I was looking into the 11400F (and non-f) and quite interested, however still waiting for some solid reviews.

11600k, like the 10600k is the best product on Intel's new catalogue. Presumably they just don't have enough die space with the single die and 14nm fab to cram everything they need to compete with the 3 chiplet Ryzen parts.

In terms of the 10600 (non K) I assume you'll see a roughly ~4% drop in peak performance and a 40% reduction in power draw. They are the same chip just with different binning and bios locking. The only coverage I've seen of it is this youtube video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8tbgDTHGbU

Hopefully when the 10nm parts come in Winter they will take the PC market by storm and force a response from AMD at the high end.

Interesting, the reduction in power draw is encouraging - not looking like anywhere stocks the 11600 non k right now..

 

[HangTime]

11400(F) instead of the 11600, no point in paying more for the same, just use the motherboard features to tweak the CPU speeds/boost duration.

Can you do that on H570 (genuine question, I'm not familiar with the constraints)?

 

[Journey]

Can you do that on H570 (genuine question, I'm not familiar with the constraints)?

It's down to the BIOS, and the board manufacturer. ASRock as an example use something called BFB (Base Frequency Boost) which allows you to adjust PL1/PL2/TAU, the performance is obviously limited to what the CPU is capable of for those settings, so you can't OC beyond the maximum boost speeds, but extend them indefinitely.