£1200 intel/nvidia build advice

gunnytron · Thursday at 14:33

Purchase Timeframe: Next few weeks

Budget: £1200

Usage: Mainly gaming

Preferences: Intel CPU, Nvidia GPU, due to compatibility with renderers, AI tools, reliability and quality of drivers/software.

Current Hardware:
- Radon Intel Core i5 760 2.80GHz (overclock bundle purchased in 2010)
- Gigabyte pa 55 usb3 atx motherboard
- 12gb Corsair ddr3 memory
- Corsair RMx 750w 80 Plus Gold Modular Power Supply (CP-9020179-UK)
- Asus strix 1060 gpu
- ssd drives
- Raijintek Asterion Classic Aluminium Midi Tower Case

Peripherals: Not required

Special Needs/Requirements (inc Wi-Fi): Wifi

I had previously asked a similar question about gear, but I have put the budget up a little.

Initial thoughts are the following:

Intel Core i7-13700K (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail

PNY GeForce RTX 5070 OC Triple Fan 12GB GDDR7 PCI-Express Graphics Card
OR
Asus GeForce RTX 5070 Prime 12GB GDDR7 PCI-Express Graphics Card

Crucial T500 1TB NVMe PCIe Gen4 M.2 Solid State Drive

TeamGroup Vulcan 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C36 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (FLBD532G5600HC36BDC01)

Asus TUF Gaming B760-Plus WIFI (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard

I will also need an after market CPU cooler

I have a case and a PSU that I want to keep if I can. I also have 2 Samsung 850 EVO SATA drives and 2 IDE drives for storage.

So if anyone can sense check this and offer any better suggestions, please do.

Tetras · Thursday at 14:49

gunnytron said:
So if anyone can sense check this and offer any better suggestions, please do.

I'd get a 265K instead of the 13700K.

Given your workload(s), waiting for the Super versions or upgrading to a 5070 Ti is something I'd highly recommend. 12GB of VRAM could be an annoying limitation rather quickly.

You could also consider the Crucial 48GB kit, since it sounds like more memory would be a bonus.

gunnytron said:
I have a case and a PSU that I want to keep if I can. I also have 2 Samsung 850 EVO SATA drives and 2 IDE drives for storage.

How old is the PSU?

Bito · Thursday at 14:55

14700K/KF are £299/289 at OCUK at the moment.

gunnytron · Thursday at 15:08

Bito said:
14700K/KF are £299/289 at OCUK at the moment.

That's what I had initially, but then watched this (@8:00):

gunnytron · Thursday at 15:10

Tetras said:
I'd get a 265K instead of the 13700K.

Given your workload(s), waiting for the Super versions or upgrading to a 5070 Ti is something I'd highly recommend. 12GB of VRAM could be an annoying limitation rather quickly.

You could also consider the Crucial 48GB kit, since it sounds like more memory would be a bonus.

How old is the PSU?

PSU is 8 years old :eek:

time flies.

I will do some research on the 265k. EDIT: actually, the above video also slates the ultra series (@9:00). No hyper threading.

Tetras · Thursday at 15:19

gunnytron said:
I will do some research on the 265k. EDIT: actually, the above video also slates the ultra series (@9:00). No hyper threading.

The 265k is generally faster (at least, with multithreading) than the 14700K and is more power efficient. It also avoids the potential for degradation issues, since we don't know if the 13th-14th gen CPUs are fixed for the longer-term. It is true that the 265K is still an inconsistent performer compared to raptor lake, but if you're not only a gamer I think the pros outweigh the cons.

Quartz · Thursday at 15:21

gunnytron said:
Usage: Mainly gaming

If you're gaming then AMD's 9800X3D should be your processor of choice. The 13 and 14 series are ticking time bombs, so don't get them.

deviation · Thursday at 15:32

If you're putting that much money into new components, then I definitely would upgrade an 8 year old PSU. Unless it's still got 1-2 years left under warranty, then I suppose you can risk it, if they cover failures of the parts attached?
I'd just save for an extra month if it was me and get a new PSU, or replace the PSU a month later if you need the upgrade straight away.

gunnytron · Thursday at 15:35

Quartz said:
If you're gaming then AMD's 9800X3D should be your processor of choice. The 13 and 14 series are ticking time bombs, so don't get them.

That's not in the same price bracket though. c£75 more.

gunnytron · Thursday at 15:36

deviation said:
If you're putting that much money into new components, then I definitely would upgrade an 8 year old PSU. Unless it's still got 1-2 years left under warranty, then I suppose you can risk it, if they cover failures of the parts attached?
I'd just save for an extra month if it was me and get a new PSU, or replace the PSU a month later if you need the upgrade straight away.

Fair comment. It was actually older than I thought it was.

deviation · Thursday at 15:36

gunnytron said:
Fair comment. It was actually older than I thought it was.

Better to be safe, this way you can get something more powerful that futureproof's the build and any upgrades, for years to come

Anything decent, comes with 7-10 years warranty

gunnytron · Thursday at 16:03

deviation said:
Better to be safe, this way you can get something more powerful that futureproof's the build and any upgrades, for years to come Anything decent, comes with 7-10 years warranty

Any suggestions for power and brand?

Orcvader · Thursday at 16:16

gunnytron said:
That's not in the same price bracket though. c£75 more.

There's always the 7800X3D which is £350 on OcUK, it's previous gen, but it still is ahead of most Intel CPUs: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/19.html

mickyflinn · Thursday at 16:23

gunnytron said:
Any suggestions for power and brand?

750w is more than enough but if you see yourself getting a 5080/5099 then a 1000w is what I would advise.

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gunnytron · Thursday at 17:06

Jeez, the more research I do the less confident in my choices I get.

I have just realised that IDE drives are basically dead and I will need to copy my data to SATA drives so I am going to need 3 1TB drives on top of an M2. Anything that stands out for these? I used to only get samsung, but I did have one fail on me a few years ago.

I am now leaning towards a 7800X3D with a 5070.

Gray2233 · Thursday at 17:39

Worth noting that the 7600X3D can be had for around £260-280, less cores but that doesn't mean much in gaming most of the time.

My basket at OcUK:

1 x AMD Ryzen 5 7600X3D Six Core 4.70GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-AMD-04829) = £280.00
1 x TeamGroup Vulcan EXPO 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C38 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (FLABD532G6000HC38ADC01) (SKU: MY-0B2-TG) = £79.99
1 x Asrock B850M-X WiFi R2.0 (Socket AM5) DDR5 mATX Motherboard (SKU: MOT-ASR-05290) = £124.99
1 x Phanteks AMP GH 750W 80PLUS Gold ATX Power Supply Modular - Black (SKU: POW-PHK-02517) = £84.95
1 x Antec CX600M ARGB M-ATX Mini Tower - Black (SKU: CAS-ATC-04160) = £54.95
1 x PowerColor Radeon RX 9070 Reaper 16GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GRA-PWC-04020) = £499.99
1 x Team Group MP44L 1TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (SKU: STO-TMG-03128) = £49.99
1 x Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB Black CPU Cooler - 120mm (SKU: COO-TLR-02724) = £29.99

Total: £1,216.84 (includes delivery: £11.98)

Example build.

I wouldn't personally go for a 12gb card like the 5070, especially given the Super variant is apparently launching before the end of the year with 18gb of VRAM.

Tetras · Thursday at 17:44

gunnytron said:
I am now leaning towards a 7800X3D with a 5070.

gunnytron said:
Usage: Mainly gaming

Preferences: Intel CPU, Nvidia GPU, due to compatibility with renderers, AI tools, reliability and quality of drivers/software.

Can you please clarify? Is rendering and AI an important use case, or are you e.g. a gamer with very infrequent hobby use?

gunnytron · Thursday at 18:00

Tetras said:
Can you please clarify? Is rendering and AI an important use case, or are you e.g. a gamer with very infrequent hobby use?

It's kind of a nice to have I guess. I am in motion graphics and I have a work Mac for that, but it's nice to be able to follow tutorials and experiment on my personal pc. For AI I will probably have to pay for a remote service anyway as having it local requires a beast of a machine from what I gather.

I havn't used radeons for many years, but their drivers were always shoddy and unstable compared to nvidia. Left a bad taste in my mouth I guess.

Gray2233 · Thursday at 18:11

The funny thing is, Nvidia's drivers for most of this year have been absolutely dire. They seem to be alright now, but they were far more problematic than anything AMD was putting out for its GPU range.

Quartz · Thursday at 22:53

gunnytron said:
I have just realised that IDE drives are basically dead and I will need to copy my data to SATA drives so I am going to need 3 1TB drives on top of an M2. Anything that stands out for these?

Get one large drive.