13700k VS 5800x3d on DDR4, worth the price difference?

[Zarax]

Hello,
I'm evaluating two identical configurations (aside from CPU and motherboard), one using a 5800X3D and one with a 13700k.

Everything between them is exactly the same except for CPU and motherboard but the 13700k configuration is approximately 200€ more expensive, using 64GB Kingston FURY Beast 3.200MHz (KF432C16BBK2/64) as RAM kit.
Which one would be better form a longevity standpoint? Take into account right now I have a 3770k.
I'm not going to change CPU for a long time (6+ years) and when I do it's going to be a full system rebuild so please leave out any other suggestion right now.

Thanks in advance!

 

[uscool]

Intel , only way would consider 5800x3d if already on am4 to drop CPU in wouldn't do new build for it

Why the need for 64gb of ram if you doing productivity even less reason for the 5800x3d

 

[jigger]

Intel will be better for multi core work, but has a huge cache disadvantage.

I suppose the question is how well will a 8c 16t chip perform in 6 years and will the extra cores of Intel offer noticeably more performance then.

I’d be carful using such high density memory with either system.

 

[RBImGuy]

5800x3d will last longer and be a better deal for gaming and productivity.
Intel isnt a good option anymore either due to budget am4 and 5800x3d or for zen4 am5 with more budget and 7950x3d and such are better options.

 

[uscool]

5800x3d will last longer and be a better deal for gaming and productivity.
Intel isnt a good option anymore either due to budget am4 and 5800x3d or for zen4 am5 with more budget and 7950x3d and such are better options.

5800x3d is actually weak in productivity 13700k walks all over it and gaming isn't massive difference win some lose some

He is sticking with ddr4 am5 doesn't have ddr4 option

 

[Zarax]

Intel will be better for multi core work, but has a huge cache disadvantage.

I suppose the question is how well will a 8c 16t chip perform in 6 years and will the extra cores of Intel offer noticeably more performance then.

I’d be carful using such high density memory with either system.

Do you have any negative reports about 2x32 kits?

Intel , only way would consider 5800x3d if already on am4 to drop CPU in wouldn't do new build for it

Why the need for 64gb of ram if you doing productivity even less reason for the 5800x3d

Because 90% of the time I would be gaming and 10% running machine learning workflows that requires a ton of RAM. Also a little bit of future proofing, 16GB in 2013 was seen crazy yet now they pay themselves in extra longevity...

 

[jigger]

Do you have any negative reports about 2x32 kits?


Because 90% of the time I would be gaming and 10% running machine learning workflows that requires a ton of RAM. Also a little bit of future proofing, 16GB in 2013 was seen crazy yet now they pay themselves in extra longevity...

It can be an issue with desktop kit. I’d check the memory is on the QVL list of the motherboard maker at least. Personally I’d lean toward 4 matched sticks of 1R low density and avoid anything 2R.

 

[dave28]

i would go with the AM4, considerably cheaper used AM4 motherboards about

 

[Zarax]

It can be an issue with desktop kit. I’d check the memory is on the QVL list of the motherboard maker at least. Personally I’d lean toward 4 matched sticks of 1R low density and avoid anything 2R.

I'm getting it a semi-pre built so hopefully the manufacturer will have cleared those issues.

 

[jigger]

I'm getting it a semi-pre built so hopefully the manufacturer will have cleared those issues.

I would triple check then as Id be surprised if the person building the system is aware of the differences.

Even OcUK don’t list memory specs anymore and when I’ve called to ask most staff are unable to help.

 

[Tetras]

Because 90% of the time I would be gaming and 10% running machine learning workflows that requires a ton of RAM. Also a little bit of future proofing, 16GB in 2013 was seen crazy yet now they pay themselves in extra longevity...

If that 10% needs the CPU I'd get the 13700K by a mile, it just smashes the 5800X3D (it can be literally twice as fast in some tasks) and you're unlikely to notice the difference in games.

If you don't intend to overclock, then you could potentially have some ££ by going with a B760 & 13700 non-K combo (or Z690 if it has bios flashback).

 

[Zarax]

If that 10% needs the CPU I'd get the 13700K by a mile, it just smashes the 5800X3D (it can be literally twice as fast in some tasks) and you're unlikely to notice the difference in games.

If you don't intend to overclock, then you could potentially have some ££ by going with a B760 & 13700 non-K combo (or Z690 if it has bios flashback).

Coming from the 3770k I'm confident either way I'll be pretty much blown by performance jump, what I'm trying to do is to understand if the extra multi core performance is worth the extra cash.

 

[Tetras]

Coming from the 3770k I'm confident either way I'll be pretty much blown by performance jump, what I'm trying to do is to understand if the extra multi core performance is worth the extra cash.

If you spend a lot of time waiting around for the CPU to finish working on multi-theaded stuff then yes, 100%. If you wait for only a few hours a week, then no.

 

[RBImGuy]

5800x3d is actually weak in productivity 13700k walks all over it and gaming isn't massive difference win some lose some

He is sticking with ddr4 am5 doesn't have ddr4 option

right, 5800x3d rivals next gen and beats Intels new.
why stay on old stuff when the future is already here

 

[uscool]

right, 5800x3d rivals next gen and beats Intels new.
why stay on old stuff when the future is already here

Gaming and productivity are 2 different types of work

5800x3d is pretty much gaming cpu does it really beat it ? Depending on game wins some loses some, productivity it gets smashed

In my opinion 5800x3dx only makes sense if you already on am4 and purely gaming

I bought the 5800x3d I was able to drop it in current system and I purely game

If I was building new system now and at lower budget I'd likely opt for 13600k on an ddr4 board

 

[Zarax]

13700k on DDR4 seems the most balanced option so far, paired with a 6700xt it should provide decent 1080p/1440p for quite a while in gaming while being flexible for other tasks from what I'm gathering.

 

[Tetras]

13700k on DDR4 seems the most balanced option so far, paired with a 6700xt it should provide decent 1080p/1440p for quite a while in gaming while being flexible for other tasks from what I'm gathering.

13700K is overkill for a 6700 XT, a i5-13500 or 5700X would be fine, but I guess you'll be ready for a 4080/4090.

 

[Zarax]

13700K is overkill for a 6700 XT, a i5-13500 or 5700X would be fine, but I guess you'll be ready for a 4080/4090.

It is today but not for the equivalent card in 5 years.

 

[thebandit]

Both CPUs are on a dead platform so for longevity you can't really say one beats the other, both right now are very capable CPU's which will last a good while yet.
They both trade blows for gaming.
Both trade blows on power efficiency.
5800x3d would overall be cheaper.
13700k is faster in "productivity" workloads.

Its down to whether you are willing to spend the extra for Intel for a speed benefit in 10% of your use case (assuming the workload does actually max out the cpu).

Personally I really like the AM4 platfrom as I have it myself, never skips a beat, and I fully intend to update my 5600x to a 5800x3d at somepoint. However in your shoes I would probably plump for the faster all round Intel CPU, the 5800x3d does have a few weaknesses in comparison.

 

[Bencher]

Honestly the 3d is a horrible buy unless you already have an am4 mobo or you are playing a game that specifically makes good use of cache. I'd rather go for a 7700x than the 3d if I wanted to stay with amd.