1440p but fast IPS?

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I decided that since I don't count myself as a 'pro' gamer, don't really play much FPS online these days (mainly play RTS, single player stuff, and lately The Secret World MMO), and would rather watch 3D stuff on my TV built for that, I'm now looking at a 1440p IPS rather than a 120Hz TN panel.

Current monitor: Dell 228WFP (hah, don't laugh)
The response on this is apparently 5ms (B->W) with low input lag.

Ideally I don't want to drop on those perks. I'm assuming, given how old the Dell is, that there must be an IPS on the market these days with 1440p and the same or very similar sort of responsiveness?

So far I've looked at Hazro H27W(C - for better responsiveness, or A for more connection options) and the Sammy A850D (after having looked at the 750D and 950D a few months ago). I've also looked at the OC Yamakasi Catleap but I'm not so sure about them for all the well-known reasons.

Any recommendations or things to check out?
 
Completely agree re Korean imports.

So of those listed, the Hazro H27WC does look among the best for responsiveness. I see there's a 30" 1600 panel with an even faster response time but I can't see myself having a 30" on the desk and I certainly don't need 1600 for what I'm using my PC for (i.e. not pro-graphics).

Is it definitely a trade-off then for IPS vs responsiveness? The fastest in the benchmarkings there is 6ms for 3 24-27" panels which are all 1080p. I'm after 1440p minimum for IQ otherwise I'll go with a TN 1080p panel and made the trade-off of IQ for responsiveness. The fastest 1440p in the list is the Hazro at 8.8ms.
 
Just found a post elsewhere with this list;


Dell E228WFP - 3ms input lag TN Film 22" 1680x1050 (User Tested)
Dell S2330MX - 3.8ms input lag TN Film 23" 1920x1080
Acer S243HLAbmii - 3.8ms input lag TN Film 24" 1920x1080
Philips 273P3LPHES - 4.4ms input lag (SmartResponse "On") TN Film 27" 1920x1080
ASUS MS238H - 5.05ms input lag TN Film 23" 1920x1080
AOC e2352Phz - 5.1ms input lag TN Film 23" 1920x1080
Samsung C27A750X - 5.3ms input lag (Fastest setting enabled) TN Film 27" 1920x1080
BenQ XL2410T - 5.6ms input lag (Instant = On) TN Film 120Hz 24" 1920x1080
Sceptre X270W - 5.75ms input lag TN Film 27" 1920x1080
BenQ GW2750HM - 6ms input lag AMVA27" 1920x1080
BenQ GW2450HM - 6ms input lag AMVA24" 1920x1080
LG IPS231P - 6.9ms input lag (user mode) e-IPS 23" 1920x1080
ASUS MS246H - 6.9ms input lag TN Film 24" 1920x1080
ASUS VE228H - 7ms input lag TN Film 22" 1920x1080
Samsung SM245B - 7.5ms input lag TN Film 24" 1920x1200
Hazro HZ30W - 7.5ms input lag S-IPS 30" 2560x1600
Hazro HZ26Wi - 7.5ms input lag H-IPS 26" 1920x1200
Asus VG278H - 7.9ms input lag (at 60Hz) TN Film 27" 1920x1080
NEC EA232WMi - 8.1ms input lag e-IPS 23" 1920x1080
Dell U2311H - 8.2ms input lag e-IPS 23" 1920x1080
ASUS VE247H - 8.3ms input lag TN Film 23.6" 1920x1080
ASUS VH236H - 8.3ms input lag (game mode) TN Film 23" 1920x1080 (A.K.A EVO MONITOR)
ASUS VH238H - 8.3ms input lag TN Film 23" 1920x1080
Dell G2410H - 8.59ms input lag TN Film 24" 1920x1080
Hazro HZ27WC - 8.8ms input lag H-IPS 27" 2560x1440
NEC EA231WMi - 8.8ms input lag e-IPS 23" 1920x1080
Asus PA238Q - 8.9ms input lag P-IPS 23" 1920x1080p (Factory Setting)
Dell U2312HM - 9.3ms input lag e-IPS 23" 1920x1080
LG L227WT - 9.4ms input lag TN Film 22" 1680x1050
Viewsonic VX2739wm - 9.4ms input lag TN Film 27" 1920x1080
Dell U2412M - 9.4ms input lag e-IPS 24" 1920x1200
HP ZR24W - 10ms input lag e-IPS 24" 1920x1200
Samsung F2380 - 10.6ms input lag cPVA 23" 1920x1080
Dell U2311H - 10.6ms input lag e-IPS 23" 1920x1080
HP ZR30W - 11.26ms input lag S-IPS 30" 2560 x 1600
Hazro HZ27WB - 11.3ms input lag H-IPS 27" 2560x1440
ASUS VG236H - 12ms input lag TN Film 120Hz 23" 1920x1080
LG E2711PY-BN - 12.9ms input lag TN Film 27" 1920x1080
Apple 27" Cinema Display - 12.73ms input lag IPS 27" 2560x1440 (Late 2010 model)
BenQ XL2420T - 13ms input lag TN Film 24" 1920x1080
Dell U2410 - 14.4ms input lag (Game mode) H-IPS 24" 1920x1200
Hazro HZ30Wi - 14.4ms input lag H-IPS 30" 2560x1600
LG IPS235V - 14.7ms input lag e-IPS 23" 1920x1080
Samsung 2233RZ - 15ms input lag TN Film 22" 1680x1050
ASUS ML239H - 15ms input lag e-IPS 23" 1920x1080
Dell U2211H - 15.6ms e-IPS 22" 1920x1080

Does a few ms really make a difference?
 
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Thanks for the advice as usual PCM2, I was sort of hoping you'd post :D I suppose since I've had the same monitor for so many years, and don't really play competitively online, an increase in input lag or reduction in responsiveness probably wouldn't make much difference at all unless - like you say - it's a major leap from single digit to double digit figures.

I've steered clear of the Korean imports so far for the same reasons as above, as I mentioned: dubious build quality, and warranty/return issues. I know people have been forced to wait several months for replacements due to defective batches being shipped. It's not worth the risk - I'd rather pay extra for solid quality and peace of mind.

The Hazro HZ27WC and the newer HZ30Wie are both looking tempting at the moment and heading the top of my list. I hear problems with CS though (not with OCUK but with Hazro directly) and some issues after several months of ownership. I like the glossy as opposed to matte screen. I only ever hear positives about the Ultrasharps from Dell but they're all matte AFAIK.

Any other advice? I know it's my buying decision etc., so don't worry about more disclaimers ;) I'm just looking for tips about what to keep an eye on, what to avoid, and experiences people have to share :)
 
Appreciate the guideline figures Rroff, much appreciated. Yeah, I'm not a pro-gamer (and no illusions of being one either!). I just want to make the step from TN to IPS as painless as possible - I get used to things easily. IQ I know I'll be blown away, given I'm used to naff TN quality ;) But responsiveness...don't want to be irritated by it. I'll get used to it again even if it's slower though I suppose.

The U2713HM sounds good since it has thinner AG coating, but TFT Central report 22.2ms-28ms. I know, take all this with a pinch of salt, however....
HP have the ZR2740w which has a similar semi-glossy panel (well, less aggressive AG), and reportedly better input lag.

The Hazro HZ27WC or the newer HZ30Wie are both also in my 'look at seriously' list as they have the fastest response times of all four, but the problem is neither support HDCP. The Dell and the HP both do.

Ahhhh....I swear there's a monitor mfctr conspiracy so that there's never a single monitor with all features :P
 
Thanks for the responses. I'll never get a perfect monitor: seems like there is a trade-off between ALL models.

The requirement is: a fast 27" IPS with 1440p resolution.

I've narrowed it down further through the assistance and reading around, and put the main pros and cons below:

Dell U2713HM
Pros: Light AG coating as I'm ideally looking for glossy but this is the trade-off, warranty and CS are great, product quality pretty much guaranteed.
Cons: Input lag reported by TFT Central at 22.2ms is not great though. That's the sacrifice with this one i think.

Hazro HZ27WC
Pros: Glossy, good IQ (same as ACD or thereabouts), cheap, best input lag of the lot
Cons: Bad reviews, no (guaranteed) HDCP support

DGM IPS-2701WPH
Pros: As with Hazro, plus better CS/reviews
Cons: Stand, input lag repotred by TFT Central at 28ms which is worse than Dell.

Yamakasi Catleap Q270 2B
Pros: 120hz plus 1440p, cheap
Unknown: input lag - uses overdrive, gamers seem happy, but apparently inaccurately reported.
Cons: It comes from Korea -> warranty issues, quality issues, mixed reviews, terrible build quality, also hard to get hold of (one vendor, one batch at a time, high in demand)


I'm leaning towards the Dell. I've always had Dell monitors, inc my current 228WFP which has lasted me over 5 years and will continue to be used as a second monitor.

Any further/final advice about the above shortlist? I appreciate everyone's time and help with this. Big decision it feels like.
 
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The Asus will be stocked by OCUK as well - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-043-AS&campaign=pcm/googleshopping&pup_c=gs

No idea what AG coating it will have though - reports are definitely not glossy, but unclear how aggressive the AG is (i.e. notoriously grainy IPS vs. semi-glossy).
Reports are 5ms G2G but it has multi-input support and an OSD so input lag is going to be an issue still. In other words - think the Dell 2713HM is more tried and tested and performance-wise much the same....

But, nice on the heads up, thanks :)

Arghh....decisions. It's crazy there is no single monitor that meets the bill (i.e. always having to trade-off something in the spec). I'd go for the Hazro if it wasn't for the QA issues and poor CS I've read about here in the forums as I can bypass the HDCP with a software solution (not ideal but do-able) and it has the best responsiveness of the lot. Dell is the safer option.
 
Problem again though is the 1080p - I'm after 1440p with a decent response time/input lag.
I think there's a monitor conspiracy. Dell exposed it with the new S-series which are all amazing except 1080p....argh!
<headache>
 
The 8ms pixel response on the Dell vs. 5ms or similar in a TN panel isn't the problem - I definitely would cope with that. It's the input lag increase from negligible with a TN panel to 22ms on the Dell that I'm concerned about. I hear <=16ms is the optimum, anything above has a chance of becoming noticeable. The Hazro is reported with a decent input lag for a 1440p 27" at 8.8ms average which is very, very good. But I hear terrible reports of build quality issues and CS issues down the line plus there's no HDCP support which makes my bluray drive pointless unless I get a software solution.

The ASUS panel looks really good actually, thanks for the video review really appreciate it. IQ looks great. If it's Samsung PLS and not LG then the AG coating shouldn't be too bad (but does it go as far as being 'semi-glossy'?). Definitely a contender - depends on the input lag reviews which I don't think are tested yet e.g by PCM2, Prad or TFT Central.
 
Totally Dubbed said:
You mean the LG one bro?
My ASUS one is my old one - based on LCD technology lol. Not produced any more :P

If you meant LG - I find no glossy-ness to it. If you want I can take more pictures of it?
Or in fact - I will do, just wait for my post/review on my website :)
I'll post it on OCUK too. I'm just a little busy atm lol
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Ah, sorry meant the new ASUS PB278Q. LG IPS suffer from pretty aggressive AG coatings so I hear :(

I did, weirdly, dream of unboxing a pixel-perfect Yamakasi Catleap 2B edition last night :S That's not a good sign.... - consciously the toss up was between the Hazro HZ27WC and the Dell U2713HM, throwing the ASUS PB278Q into the mix last minute. So no idea where that came from. Wishful thinking I suppose :D

By the time I've decided, a mfctr will bring out something new and I'll have to start over again hah.

Will wait on the PB278Q reviews to check out input lag and then that is the top contender if it's decent enough. The Dell U2713HM is following in close 2nd with the Hazro in 3rd. If I get some rave reviews about the Hazro before the PB278Q results come out, it might rise in the rankings :D
 
Krait said:
I've had mine for a couple of months and never noticed any input lag - was quite surprised when TFT indicated it was quite so high.
Possibly varies from one to another <shrug>
:)
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It does seem like TFT figures are quite high. E.g. the Dell at 22ms. People game with it and report no problems at all. Input lag is only important to me in the sense of reducing the impact of transitioning from (crappy but fast) TN to (lovely but slower) IPS.
 
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