1DS MkIII

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I finally had a play with the 1DS MkIII this afternoon, i've been in bed for the last week suffering from the adult version of Chickenpox, which is by far the worse thing i've EVER been inflicted with. And as a result its been around 5 days until i've even had the strength to get it out of the box..

Spent an hour staggering around the garden with the 300mm F2.8 and a 1.4x trying to nail butterflies before they all die/go away for the winter.

Camera settings - faithful, no sharpening or other stuff

Adjusted in Aperture, +0.3 contrast, +0.2 Vibrancy. No crop, No noise reduction, sharpened slightly after resize, (150/0.2/0) (resizing kills sharpness)

butterfly.jpg


The resolving power and resolution of this thing is insane. I took some shots of textured objects like bricks with the normal 1D MkIII, the images are great and there is stacks of detail. However if I take the same image with the 1DS, it reveals another realm of detail that simply didn't exist in the 1D MkIII image. Its definitely in the realm of medium format when it comes to detail, not just because of the file size but the resolving power.

The files are also gigantic, the tiff from the butterfly picture is 120MB exported straight from Aperture, compared to around 60Mb on the 1D MkIII. I guess this is obvious as its twice as many megapixels.
The great thing is that I can crop an image and its still bigger than the full frame standard 1D MkIII image, but with lots more pixels and detail!

The files are also a lot different than any others i've seen. I expected them to be pretty much the same as what i'm used to but they're not.
They're really warm and vibrant, the first couple of shots I took reminded me of looking at slides of Velvia and Kodachrome, although i've not had a chance to go out and use it properly yet, I know the files are going to look very nice, especially with the deer in 5-7am light :)

There is a tiny bit more noise present in the images than on the standard 1D MkIII, I did expect this but the difference is almost unnoticeable, I doubt anyone would know unless they'd owned both cameras and shot with one or the other for over a year like I have. I don't generally go over ISO800 anyway so its not an issue for me.
Also due to the size of the files, detail, resolution and general IQ, they can withstand a lot of PP before they fall to bits.

Cosmetically it looks like exactly the same camera as the 1D MkIII, the only exception is the gold writing on the front, and it weighs considerably more. I imagine this is due to the larger pentaprism and mirror assembly.
The viewfinder is absolutely gigantic, it seems far bigger than a 5D's viewfinder. My only criticism is that it appears to have the same focusing screen as the MkIII, which means the focus points are bunched up in the middle, a little too much for the viewfinder. Sometimes I enjoy using extreme left/right focus points. I'd prefer them to be spread out a little more.

You also have to be a little more precise, as the pixels are so small compared to the MkIII, any misfocus or dof issues show up 10x more, I really had to concentrate shooting a long lens (420mm) handheld, to get sharp shots with the 1DS, much more so than the normal 1D.


People may ask why I bought this camera, my reasons are:

1.> I wanted a newer full frame body with auto focus to match my MkIII

2.> The warmth and Vibrance in the images are brilliant. The megapixels and detail didn't make as much as an impression as the overall look of the image did. Brutus Ostling's owl shots blew me away when I signed up to his monthly newsletter.

3.> I want to make the most out of my lenses, and get the shots in safaris this winter. (Canada/Norway/etc) Which will be gigantic files, fit for exhibition printing to A2 and larger sizes.

4.> I paid of a shedload of debt off last month, so I felt like treating myself with overtime dosh ;) And I got it for a very good price.

I'm not going to go mad doing comparisons between each and every camera I have, at different ISOs/lenses as that sort of stuff bores the hell out of me, detail wise it totally destroys the 1D MkIII. Whilst the 1DS's noise is *slightly* worse, its still very good. The colour processing, and tone of the overall file more than makes up for this.
Its also great to use it with lenses which were designed for full frame bodies.

Really looking forward to putting this thing through its paces, and having some extra large prints done up, the deer will be rutting soon and hopefully the light will improve. I just hope I can get enough strength back to haul the 600mm F4 IS over my shoulder again, and set my alarm for 4:15am!
 
Never mind the camera! Thanks for mentioning Brutus Ostling who I've just googled and spent the last 10 mins looking at his images - amazing! :)

It does look like a lovely camera you've got there if the standard of his work is anything to go by!

Anyway, pleased you're happy with it, and glad you're feeling better at last too.
 
The file size from them is simply awesome ( I played with one at focus on imaging with my card in it )

as i pretty much everything else!

I have major equipment envy!
 
mmm yes very nice images, pity his slideshow isn't online to get a better view.

Interesting to read your 1Ds review V-Spec. I am suitably impressed with a friend's 1DmkIII, so a camera which is a step up must be pretty stellar.

The only real gripe I have with the 1Ds is the price. OK I appreciate its aimed at Pros, but can it really justify being twice as much as the 1D?
 
Never mind the camera! Thanks for mentioning Brutus Ostling who I've just googled and spent the last 10 mins looking at his images - amazing! :)

hehe, i've been a big fan of Brutus's stuff for a long time, but in his newsletter there is a picture of a Great Grey owl, near the bottom of the PDF file which you get via email, and it just stunned me... I spend most of my spare time trawling sites/forums/agencies looking at images and its not often an image does that.

I'd love to rent one of his hides, but at the same time i'd rather do my own thing than pay a fortune to copy someone else...

We went to birdfair a few weeks ago, and there was a gigantic art tent full of wildlife photographer portfolios. I was extremely dissapointed. The same captive birds being passed off as wild, the same owl in the same window, trillions of perfect but boring kingfisher shots. not many people doing different stuff, with the exception of David Tipling and Chris Gomersall, both of whom had some great canvas, and emperor penguin shots.

I think the stars of the show were the guys from Finland/Sweden who were definitely the Owl/Eagle masters, really artistic brilliant shots of great greys hunting in the snow. I made quite a few contacts and i'll hopefully be photographing great greys in the snow next year, i'd like my own take on it.
 
mmm yes very nice images, pity his slideshow isn't online to get a better view.

Interesting to read your 1Ds review V-Spec. I am suitably impressed with a friend's 1DmkIII, so a camera which is a step up must be pretty stellar.

The only real gripe I have with the 1Ds is the price. OK I appreciate its aimed at Pros, but can it really justify being twice as much as the 1D?

I'd say in all honesty that it probably is worth twice the price.

Ok, it says EOS 1D on the front of it, which makes it difficult to justify when the nearest 1D camera is priced at £2400.

However, if you forget what the camera is called/who its made by and put aside any emotive associations, and evaluate it as a standalone bit of kit, the images are clearly in a different league to that of the 1D MkIII.

They've taken the resolution of medium format, made it usable and given it the lens lineup..

Whilst i'd agree that its an enormous amount of money to spend on a body, any medium format back like a mamiya/phase one/etc will cost the same, if not more.
The 1DS MkIII ventures straight into this territory, so it comes as no suprise, and with sports AF and 5fps....

I myself, cannot see any reason why you'd need to go any further than a 1DS MkIII, the 300 F2.8 is one of the sharpest and best lenses canon ever made, alongside the 135mm F2. when you couple it with any of these lenses and view the images at 100% on a good monitor, I do not honestly see how you could get any more detail. The only thing which could be improved would be noise, but I only really like to shoot in good light anyway, so I don't normally shoot watercolour paintings or heavy rain at ISO 6400 ;)

I could easily print these files at A1 or larger and the quality would be spot on.
 
OK I appreciate its aimed at Pros, but can it really justify being twice as much as the 1D?

You think that the 1DsIII is expensive?

Next you'll realise that you need a whole new range of longer, red-rimmed prime glass to make the most of the resolving power of that full framed sensor. That's when the real money gets spent...

Andrew
 
You think that the 1DsIII is expensive?

Next you'll realise that you need a whole new range of longer, red-rimmed prime glass to make the most of the resolving power of that full framed sensor. That's when the real money gets spent...

Andrew

heh yes I've already started down that road, except I get to buy gold-rimmed badboys instead :D

Its not the price itself which I find so hard to swallow - its the price in comparison to its nearest rival, the 1DmkIII or Nikon D3, to which its over double. Now it is better, but is it *really* twice as good? (don't answer that V-Spec, you already have thanks). I can't help but feel Canon is having a bit of a laugh with the price tag, simply for being the best on the market. Its a value-for-money question I suppose, I hate giving these big corporations more than they deserve if you see what I mean.

I find spending megabucks on lenses easier to swallow because of the long lifetimes of a lens. However, how long is a body going to last before something *so* substantially more uber is out, 3 years maybe? At which point you (or at least I would) want to upgrade.


ps. forgot to say earlier that I hope you feel better soon V-Spec. Odd thing is two work colleagues have gone down with Shingles over the last month, I hope we're not going through an epedemic.
 
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I find spending megabucks on lenses easier to swallow because of the long lifetimes of a lens. However, how long is a body going to last before something *so* substantially more uber is out, 3 years maybe? At which point you (or at least I would) want to upgrade.

I know what you mean, however I find this subject a bit of a paradox.

Over the last 2 years, DSLR camera bodies seem to have become more like graphics cards for PCs.
They seem to be going obsolete after a couple of years, and are hence regarded as "out of date" or "inferior".

When really, it still takes the same great picture it did when it was bought. Unlike a piece of normal computer equipment which does get worse as the software around it becomes more intense and an upgrade becomes totally necessary.

If you take an old Nikon F5 or F90x, shoot film with it, the still images are brilliant, can be blown up to A1, no problems... Same with any decent DSLR in the last 3-4 years.

Even if something substantially more uber does come out in several years, I do not honestly see what additional gain there is to have, other than better noise control and more fps.. We'll still be printing at A3-A1, I don't see how much better the colour can get, sharpness with current lenses is baffling if taken properly... I personally don't see where its going.


ps. forgot to say earlier that I hope you feel better soon V-Spec. Odd thing is two work colleagues have gone down with Shingles over the last month, I hope we're not going through an epedemic.

cheers, things are looking up now, thinking about going out early Sunday morning depending on the light, and it looks like i'll be back at work on Monday!.
 
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