2.0L TSI or 1.4 iv PHEV

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I'm about to buy a second hand Skoda elegance estate sportline 2.0 TSI with about 5k on the clock. For a bit more money I could buy a new (or demo) Octavia estate SE L iV 1.4 PHEV. I know they're different specs etc but the car I buy will do a lot of short trips and it would be great to drive on electric for those. I will also do a few motorway trips each year (Range about 300 miles), hence why the 2.0 TSI is also appealing.

Anyone own a 1.4 iv PHEV? OK on the motorway?

Thanks for any help

S
 
I would say that the ability to drive solely on electric power would be great. A 3 pin granny charger would be enough to charge the car every night and you could theoretically drive everywhere local,y solely on electric power but with the ability to range extend with the excellent 1.4tsi engine. The PHEV would also be way more economical than the 2.0 for short journeys. As foir the occasional motorway journeys, the auto setting of the hybrid drivetrain on the PHEV means greta economy with better performance than the 2.0.

(I also think the SE L version would be a more comfortable ride than the Sportline.)

https://www.drivingelectric.com/skoda/superb
 
. I will also do a few motorway trips each year (Range about 300 miles), hence why the 2.0 TSI is also appealing.

What is it about the motorway trips you do that makes you feel like the 2.0 TSI is appealing? I do a lot of motorway trips and find this is the area where the large engine in my car is least noticeable.
 
I'd be concerned about privately buying the phev, versus pcp/lease, considering residuals+maintenance versus an ICE or full bev;

How much more expensive is the phev ?, and will that really offset the petrol/tax/pollution-charge reduced costs.

The new merecedes phev's, wll hopefully set a trend for a, personally, more useful 25kw/100km battery range; the upcoming, nissan, smaller battery with range extender, option, will be interesting too.
 
Aren’t Skoda quoting a 40mile range?
Looks like a no brainer to me, providing you have a place you could charge it and many people don’t.
A PHEV like that would make perfect sense for us.

Hell of a thing to be able to say ‘bring the internal combustion engine online’ :eek:
 
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The range quoted is about 37 miles although real world reviews say its more like 25 miles but even so 99% of my trips are shops, kids being picked up and dropped off and trips of 8 miles or so. My other car is a 2.7 TD Discovery 3 and the short trips are a nightmare on the EGR valves, had about 3/4 new ones.
 
Regarding motorway trips, larger engines are definitely for me more preferable. It's much nicer to cruise and not be doing 3500-4000 revs at 70mph. Given that I'd be making less than 10 trips a year on the motorway and that the route I usually take has slowly been taken over by average speed checks and 50mph signs having a 1.4 won't be that bad.
 
A hybrid maybe a good solution for you, does it have to be a plug in? Lexus and Toyota have been making excellent hybrids for a long time now.
 
Lexus and Toyota have been making excellent hybrids for a long time now.

Problem with them is the inability to self-select when you are in ev mode. It means that you are nearly always using the engine and can't spend days at a time (or even weeks) on ev only.
 
I'd definitely go for a PHEV that you can switch to electric only. With the usual driving we would do in it as a second car I expect to be only charging it once a week. To me it seems to make sense rather than starting up a petrol/diesel car to drive 2 miles to a shop.
 
Problem with them is the inability to self-select when you are in ev mode. It means that you are nearly always using the engine and can't spend days at a time (or even weeks) on ev only.
Yes, but they are not designed to run on pure electricity for long periods. They are designed to run on batteries at lower speeds and switch over to a engine when the vehicle exceeds a certain mph or when the batteries need charging. Making them good around town and then running on a ICE above x speed. Hybrids have become the vehicle of choice for taxi drivers in my home city.
The other bonus, if like me you don’t have drive or garage, is that you don’t need to plug it in, as the batteries recharge themselves, from the engine. Think they make let’s say, a stepping stone before making the jump to full EV.
 
I'd definitely go for a PHEV that you can switch to electric only. With the usual driving we would do in it as a second car I expect to be only charging it once a week. To me it seems to make sense rather than starting up a petrol/diesel car to drive 2 miles to a shop.
I think a hybrid would be a good choice for you, whether you choose to go full hybrid or a PHEV comes down to you and if you have a space at home to charge your vehicle. The Volvo PHEV vehicles are also good a choice.
 
I love the look.of the new Skoda Enyak. All electric though with a top range of around 333. What the real world range is I'm not sure especially when you have 5 people in it with suitcases etc and a roof box on.

Would like to be around when technology improves so much that they hit 1000 miles range.
 
Problem with them is the inability to self-select when you are in ev mode. It means that you are nearly always using the engine and can't spend days at a time (or even weeks) on ev only.
You can choose EV mode on Toyota hybrids? It won't take you very far at all though, they are not designed to run any distance on battery alone.
 
You can choose EV mode on Toyota hybrids? It won't take you very far at all though, they are not designed to run any distance on battery alone.


That's why a PHEV is better for the OP. He can run his car on ev only for as long as he wants, charging each evening at home.
 
I think the VAG phev's can do 70mph on electric. They are fine for pootling around town, but ultimately its a gruff petrol engine. When i was looking at Company cars, i tried the Passat,Superb and Octavia. They were nice enough, but i preferred the 508 GT and BMW 330e. I ended up with the BMW as the package was too good.

Take the range with a bucket of salt, it can vary so much, winter is the worst for range. You can stay in EV mode, or use the sat nav and will pick the most efficient route using electric when it needs to and ICE when it needs to.

Its a nice stepping stone to the EV world, Ive done 7k in my car and half of that has been electric, i charge at every opportunity.
 
I love the look.of the new Skoda Enyak. All electric though with a top range of around 333. What the real world range is I'm not sure especially when you have 5 people in it with suitcases etc and a roof box on.

Would like to be around when technology improves so much that they hit 1000 miles range.

It does look great, was slightly bigger than we needed so we opted for the ID3.

I don't think we'd ever get that sort of range... At best we may see 500ish to compete with the fuel equivalent but when most drivers do on average less than 100 a day I would struggle to see why car makers would develop anything with such range.
 
when most drivers do on average less than 100 a day I would struggle to see why car makers would develop anything with such range.

Because outside of EV bubbles there is less desire amongst the general public for the idea that you charge your car up every single day. You don't need to want to do 500 miles in a single day for long range to be something that would convert you to EV. It's more flexible and if we want the general public to embrace EV properly we need to make every effort to ensure that it replicates as many of the considerable benefits to an ICE car as possible. One of these is that if you drive 200 miles to a meeting and back, get home late and forget to charge your car you're not late for work the next morning or that if you drive to the airport for a holiday and pay for the long stay parking because you don't have £600000 to park in short stay you don't arrive at 1am on the Ryanair from Spain and find you don't have enough battery left from the drive up to just drive home.

We've all woken up and realised we forgot to charge the phone.

My partner isn't really a car person. She likes her Mini and Mini's in general but not much beyond that. I've been trying to persuade her that an electric Mini would be an excellent replacement for her Cooper but at the moment she cannot see past the range - 90% of her driving is under 10 miles but she (well, when things are normal) likes to visit her Mum who lives 200 miles away. Her Mum has no car charging point and even though I point out that the services she always stops at for at least a 20 minute cup of tea on the way up and back has charging points she says she worries they'll be full. Some of this is irrational - but this irrational thought process is present in vast swathes of the motoring public and will hamper adoption. People who think EV's are amazing because they do 0-60 in 2 seconds and have no company car tax can argue about how you can just fast charge or how you don't need range as much as they want but they won't get through to many people doing that.

Long range gives convenience, comfort of thought and adds practicality. If an electric car can reliably do over 500 miles on a single charge suddenly you've almost fixed entirely the lack of home charging problem once quicker charging becomes more widespread.

The problem with a petrol or diesel engine is that for the end user its absolutely ideal. It's flexible, it takes 120 seconds to fully fuel, you can go up to 800 miles on a tank, the fuel itself is inexpensive for what you get and it's widespread. The majority of EV benefits are external to the end user. This is what is going to make the push difficult and why they need to ban petrol cars to do it - objectively, for most people, EV's are a gimmick and a petrol car is just more useful.

The more I think about this the more I think we're heading the wrong way. To fix the emissions problem I think enticing widespread adoption of PHEV vehicles - with mandatory zero emission zones in urban areas - would have been a better strategy. Nobody loses the practicality they crave from ICE but everyone gains zero emission running in town centres where people sitting in a queue in a diesel is a genuine problem.
 
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