2 infinity lines multiple users

DataVampire · 30 Oct 2017 at 14:03

Hi guys we got offered a deal by sky, we are basically getting sky fiber max for £5 a month(went from sky fiber unlimited), We already have BT business infinity 2 unlimeted.
Both lines are 80mb down 20mb up up, with sky having a better ping for gaming.

So we have
5 pcs--cat 6 wired
3 tablets-wifi
6 mobile phones-wifi
LG smart tv -cat 6 wired
Sony smart home cinema system-cat 6 wired
Logitech harmony remote hub-wifi
philips hue-wired
Nest smart thermostat-wired
Nest security camers-wifi
3 games consoles-wifi
Media server-cat6 wired
synology nas -cat6 wired
xternal 4tb hd connected to synology(usb3)

Bt is connected to a white (bt open reach) modem via a cat 5 modem rj11-Asus rt87u router then a cat 6 cable going to a 8 port 1gb tp link switch

Sky fiber max is connected to the sky q hub -cat 6 to a netgear prosafe 8 port 1gb smart switch.

is there anyway to combine the wife from sky and bt so people on sly can see the media server on bt ? same for lan?

For instance can i set it all up better ?

Thank you for reading

DataVampire · 30 Oct 2017 at 15:02

bremen1874 said:
What's the media server? Does it have/can it handle dual network ports.

i think i may have a spare 1gb pcie lan card somewhere

DataVampire · 30 Oct 2017 at 15:08

BigT said:
On the basis you don't fundamentally mind everyone sharing and seeing everything, and even if not that can be worked around, then what you need is a router that supports dual WAN. I'm not that familiar with Sky and I think there's something peculiar about it that someone else may comment on, but fundamentally you put two modems in front of a router that has to WAN inputs and do all your routing on the one network from within the router's interface. In its simplest form you have one local network and you use either load balancing, failover or policy based routing to determine which devices use which internet connection, but they all see each other on the local network. You can make it more complicated than that and partition things up locally if you desire.

Depending on your budget and experience, your choices for a dual WAN router include:

- Something form Mikrotik (best bang for buck but hard to configure)
- a home brew pfSense box or similar
- a prosumer device from the likes of Draytek

Some of the above routers don't do wifi like an ISP router so you'd need to add access points. Almost everyone will tell you Ubiquiti are the best for that at consumer level.

I was hoping there was going to be a simple soloution not costing any money tbh, i might have to rethink this.

ATM i have 3 pcs and some wifi on the the BT line and 2 pcs and some wifi on the sky.

Tbh i just could not turn down the cheap sky net and was hoping i could make more use out of the both.

I already new about channel bonding and the cost is prety high for the modem/router so i already knew that was out of the question.

Thank you for the replies

DataVampire · 30 Oct 2017 at 18:56

crinkleshoes said:
Your Asus router is dual-wan capable.

Connect sky router to whichever lan port you configure as second wan port and setup in the interface how you want it to behave. From memory there are a few load balancing options in Asus kit.

Turn the WiFi signal off on the sky thing. Then you have one signal and one LAN.

Ah i knew my router had dual wan but from memory it says in the book its for connecting say a 4g modem via usb lol , unless they changed it or i missed something ofc.

DataVampire · 30 Oct 2017 at 18:59

crinkleshoes said:
You can, actually, bond connections from different providers - but it requires a third party to be involved which adds both cost and latency.

Most I know have some sort of load balanced connection, even if it's simply for failover reasons

The Asus already has dual-wan

I am sure i read somewhere you can indeed turn of the dhp and wifi and use it as a modem, but doesn`t sky have some weired protocols or something i am pretty use i read it comes with problem

DataVampire · 30 Oct 2017 at 19:05

As for load balancing, if i understand this correctly.

when user a is downloading or saturating one of the lines say BT for example, does the sky line take over the rest ? so other users dont feel bogged down? when they are streaming or playing games ?.

Also because the sky has better gaming pings than BT (i have no idea why this is happening i would have thought a business line would have been far Superior) would i be able to set it up so for gaming it uses the sky line for everything else uses the bt line ?

Also would all switches have to be connected to the Asus router since the sky q hub was just acting as a modem ?

Thank you so much for the help guys.

DataVampire · 31 Oct 2017 at 17:45

Thsi has defiantley given me pause for thought and how best to move forward.

Things i need to look at and confirm.

Sky Q hub

Sky q hub can be used as just a modem and thus connected to my asus router 2nd wan port.
Turning the wifi off, turning the dhcp off.
Sky use MER authentication so any third-party device would need to have support for it.
Find out and read about the above and how it will effect

Asus router

The type of load balancing the Asus router supports and which one will be the best to use in my situation.
I will have to do this iether very early in the morning or jsut turn it all off and do it on a weekend where i have plenty of time to sort stuff out

Thank you very much for the replies much to still read up on