2008 Canadian Grand Prix - Race 7/18

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I did try and think of an interesting introduction for this fortnight's thread but I couldn't come up with anything other than this is the first Canadian GP for a while which doesn't clash with Le Mans...

There's nothing really happening in terms of gossip other than Max's potential sacking tomorrow.

Friday practice : 1500 - 1630 & 1900 - 2030
Saturday practice : 1500 - 1600
Saturday Qualifying : 1800 - 1900, ITV 1715 - 1915
Sunday Race : 1800 - 2000, ITV from 1705. Highlights, 2345 (ITV) & Monday 1800 (ITV4)



Drivers
Code: 
Pos Driver           Nationality   Team              Points 
1  Lewis Hamilton       British    McLaren-Mercedes   38
2  Kimi Raikkonen       Finnish    Ferrari            35
3  Felipe Massa		Brazilian  Ferrari	      34
4  Robert Kubica	Polish     BMW                32      
5  Nick Heidfeld        German     BMW                20
6  Heikki Kovelainen    Finnish    McLaren-Mercedes   15
7  Mark Webber          Australian RBR-Renault        15
8  Fernando Alonso      Spanish    Renault            9
9  Jarno Trulli         Italian    Toyota             9
10 Nico Rosberg         German     Williams-Toyota    8
11 Kazuki Nakajima   	Japanese   Williams-Toyota    7
12 Sebastian Vettel	German	   STR-Ferrari	      4
13 Jenson Button	British	   Honda              3
14 Rubens Barrichello   Brazilian  Honda              3
15 Sebastien Bourdais   Italian    STR-Ferrari        2

Constructors
Code: 
Pos Team              Points    
1  Ferrari            69        
3  McLaren-Mercedes   53       
2  BMW                52        
4  Williams-Toyota    15        
5  RBR-Renault        15        
6  Toyota             9
7  Renault            9
9  STR-Ferrari        6        
8  Honda	      6

* I have no idea why Alonso is listed above Trulli in the Driver's table but Renault are behind Toyota in the Constructor's

Calendar
Code: 
01 2008 FORMULA 1 ING AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX (Melbourne) 		14 - 16 Mar 
02 2008 FORMULA 1 PETRONAS MALAYSIAN GRAND PRIX (Kuala Lumpur) 		21 - 23 Mar 
03 2008 FORMULA 1 GULF AIR BAHRAIN GRAND PRIX (Bahrain) 		04 - 06 Apr 
04 FORMULA 1 GRAN PREMIO DE ESPANA TELEFONICA 2008 (Catalunya) 		25 - 27 Apr 
05 2008 FORMULA 1 PETROL OFISI TURKISH GRAND PRIX (Istanbul) 		09 - 11 May 
06 FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DE MONACO 2008 (Monte Carlo) 			22 - 25 May 
07 FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DU CANADA 2008 (Montreal) 			06 - 08 Jun 
08 FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DE FRANCE 2008 (Magny-Cours) 			20 - 22 Jun 
09 2008 FORMULA 1 SANTANDER BRITISH GRAND PRIX (Silverstone) 		04 - 06 Jul 
10 FORMULA 1 GROSSER PREIS SANTANDER VON DEUTSCHLAND 2008 (Hockenheim) 	18 - 20 Jul 
11 FORMULA 1 ING MAGYAR NAGYDIJ 2008 (Budapest) 			01 - 03 Aug 
12 2008 FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROPE (Valencia) 			22 - 24 Aug 
13 2008 FORMULA 1 ING BELGIAN GRAND PRIX (Spa-Francorchamps) 		05 - 07 Sep 
14 FORMULA 1 GRAN PREMIO SANTANDER D'ITALIA 2008 (Monza) 		12 - 14 Sep 
15 2008 FORMULA 1 SINGTEL SINGAPORE GRAND PRIX (Singapore) 		26 - 28 Sep 
16 2008 FORMULA 1 FUJI TELEVISION JAPANESE GRAND PRIX (Fuji Speedway) 	10 - 12 Oct 
17 2008 FORMULA 1 SINOPEC CHINESE GRAND PRIX (Shanghai) 		17 - 19 Oct 
18 FORMULA 1 GRANDE PREMIO DO BRASIL 2008 (Sao Paulo) 			31 Oct - 02 Nov





If you're interested in seeing what the tracks look like I've updated my Google Earth links and flyovers. Unfortunately it's still not perfect, although Fuji is now high res thanks to the April update but the imagery for Valencia is a fair age so the purpose built bridge isn't visible. To play the flyovers select the flyover folder and press the play button at the bottom of the Places pane.

Some links for Montreal

Official GP Site
Wikipedia
Circuit details on the official F1 page
 
Duke said:
Excellent. If I remember Canada is normally an 'ok' race in terms of overtaking etc?
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Yeah because the track actually suits the current crop of cars. Most of the traditional circuits use the classic quick corner onto straight into slow corner layout which doesn't work anymore since you can't follow a car through a quick corner. In Canada it's very point and squirt from slow corner onto straight onto another slow corner, couple that to a track which is reasonably wide you get at least 3 decent overtaking opportunities per lap.
 
karoshi said:
Are there any new drivers this year that won't have been round this track before? i'm guessing Bourdais would've been to Canada in the champcar series? what about Rosberg and Piquet Jr?
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I think Nakajima, Vettel & Piquet haven't seen the place. Rosberg's on his third trip to Montreal.

Having said that I'm not sure if any of those three ran in the Friday session last year, Nakajima might have. If I remember I'll check last year's Autocourse when I get home.
 
I wouldn't even blink at a DC <-> Vettel swap at the end of the season but I don't quite see why DC would be involved in a mid season swap about. Surely Webber's the more likely candidate if Flav's trying to pull strings?
 
el_dazza said:
How has Max Mosley won a vote to keep him instated as FIA president?
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By the sounds of things he's been schmoozing with the smaller automobile clubs for a while and they've supported him. The bigger clubs (US, Germany & The Netherlands for sure) seem to have voted against him - the German ADAC club has withdrawn from all FIA activities as a result.
 
Going to give them a bit more front end downforce at high speeds which might make the car a bit twitchy but that should be easily dialled out with a tweak to the main planes of the front wing.

The aero boys at the factories are going to be busy though trying to work out how much that tweak has to be before Friday.
 
Overlag said:
why? all they gotta do is stop it flexing... which it shouldnt be in the first place.

a small support there surely isnt going to damage a cars stability?
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Shouldn't & doesn't are two different things.

If the wing flexes at high speed then it will do so in such a way as to reduce drag and downforce. With a fixed bridge that downforce variation is removed and the front to rear balance is now different at high speeds. Not by a lot but not everyone likes a car which is tail happy so the drivers will have to react by changing the setup of the car to keep the front to rear balance to their taste.
 
Code: 
Pos  Driver        Team                     Time              Laps
 1.  Massa         Ferrari             (B)  1:17.553           14
 2.  Kubica        BMW Sauber          (B)  1:17.809 + 0.256   12
 3.  Kovalainen    McLaren-Mercedes    (B)  1:18.133 + 0.580   10
 4.  Heidfeld      BMW Sauber          (B)  1:18.182 + 0.629   13
 5.  Raikkonen     Ferrari             (B)  1:18.292 + 0.739   12
 6.  Hamilton      McLaren-Mercedes    (B)  1:18.303 + 0.750    8
 7.  Webber        Red Bull-Renault    (B)  1:18.712 + 1.159   11
 8.  Coulthard     Red Bull-Renault    (B)  1:18.809 + 1.256   12
 9.  Nakajima      Williams-Toyota     (B)  1:18.971 + 1.418   24
10.  Alonso        Renault             (B)  1:19.005 + 1.452   13
11.  Rosberg       Williams-Toyota     (B)  1:19.093 + 1.540   20
12.  Vettel        Toro Rosso-Ferrari  (B)  1:19.228 + 1.675   21
13.  Glock         Toyota              (B)  1:19.346 + 1.793   28
14.  Trulli        Toyota              (B)  1:19.568 + 2.015   31
15.  Fisichella    Force India-Ferrari (B)  1:19.815 + 2.262   16
16.  Sutil         Force India-Ferrari (B)  1:19.888 + 2.335   15
17.  Piquet        Renault             (B)  1:20.091 + 2.538   23
18.  Barrichello   Honda               (B)  1:20.173 + 2.620   17
19.  Bourdais      Toro Rosso-Ferrari  (B)  1:20.541 + 2.988   16
20.  Button        Honda               (B)  1:21.542 + 3.989   17
 
AcidHell2 said:
I can't remember the size of turbo engines but aren't they both large than they are know?
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Turbo engines were only 1.5l, mainly twin turbo V6s although BMW (and I think Hart) ran a single turbo straight 4. The BMW was actually built round road engine blocks and were rumoured to get upwards of 1400bhp in qually trim.
 
sunama said:
Could it be that F1 cars of yesteryear were easier to drive than today's F1 cars?
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There's certainly seems to be more margin for error with the older cars but there are other things to consider. Manual gearshifts with a clutch, turbo engines with lightswitch power delivery. Each generation has it's own challenges.
 
sunama said:
What we need is someone like Alonso or Hamilton to drive 50 or so laps in an older car, get used to it and push hard in it.
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Schumacher did at one point. Can't remember exactly which car it was but he parked it after a few laps because it scared him witless.
 
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