2016 New Year Bike Plan - input required

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Calpol

Calpol

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Right roadies. Throwing this out there for a bit of opinion.

I will have been back riding 4 years in the spring. The Wilier below really has fuelled my love of this bike riding thing. Really I thought when I bought second hand that it would be more bike than I ever needed. It possibly is but life is too short to wonder so I think I will be relegating it to second next spring.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=27774753&postcount=21

I still love it even though its a bit porkier than some of my pals and clearly an entry level frame. I upgraded the wheels and groupo with bits over time so its mostly Campag Chorus. I'll be sticking with Campagnolo in the future too.

Ideally I am looking for a frame which will get equipped with chorus - (I'll take the veloce off the winter bike and stickit on the Izoard. Or i may even spring for some new drive train.

I am looking for the following in a new frame

  1. Lighter than the Izoard
  2. Stiffer
  3. Long ride comfort
  4. Preferrably of Italian branding!

Have had a look at picking up a Supersix EVO Hi mod 2nd hand, Cervelo R2 (and swapping the groupo) and of course another Wilier.

I found Math Salden selling off some Cento 1 SR 2015 models at a decent price. Not normally big on black bikes but I am warming to them, especially the yellow fluo!

https://www.salden.nl/en/bikes-and-frames/roadracing/roadframes/wilier-101sr-frameset-2015.html

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What do y'all reckon?
 
Vonhelmet said:
Italian branding is just that... branding. How many bikes are actually made in Italy these days? I'm sure you could pay some bloke in a shed in the back streets of Milan to weld you something, but once you get past that it's all Taiwan, China, etc.

However... If you really must stick with Italian, I'd personally be going Bianchi. The Oltre framesets are very swish, though the XR2 version does cost a lot. Bianchi are the longest running bicycle company going, so if you want Italian heritage you can't beat that.
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Hence why I said "Italian branding" as I was anticipating the above response. Its a heart over head thing. I spend most of my life being sensible, pragmatic and logical. Allow me a little excitement!

Have considered Bianchi's. In general I like but value fm they are not.

Exist - thanks for that. I looked up the Giant and its a compelling offer but still a Giant and therefore won't be on the list die to the ubiquitous nature.

Rose - don't like the styling and too many canyons round here. I am looking to have something a little different.
 
Quick update.
Planet X sale on Christmas day allowed me to pick up a new MY15 Campagnolo Chorus groupset for £540.
Last night spotted Supersix EVO HM frames at £750 brand new albeit MY15. Team colours but I quite like that. Looked like too good a bargain to miss. Its an 800g frame that reviews highly and is the same as the pro team were using. Went for a 58 and I hope its ok. 56 looked a touch aggressive for me compared to my Wilier.

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Roady said:
Awesome frame choice & great bargain! Still not sure why you love your compag groupsets so much with the huge price premium...! ;)
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Chorus is really nice. It has cost £530 and it probably sits between Ultegra and Dura Ace in terms of quality. Also the shape of the hoods is great for me. Also Campagnolo only make bike stuff - no fishing reels!

The way I see it - I will have close to pro level bike for £1400 less wheels. Quite excited!
 
To be honest if you get the Ultra torque stuff its fine. Yes you need a bearing puller to change crankset bearings but no special tools involved. Powertorque on the lower level groupos I believe to be more of an issue.
 
One More Solo said:
Ah, that's the thing with the bearings in a plastic sleeve you press in? Hoping to fit a Praxis Works converter BB to fit my FSA chain set but some people say there is a lip on the BB that makes this impossible. I can't find any pictures of the BB up close so will just have to wait till it arrives.
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I think I will invest in the Praxis unit also. They seem to have a good report for not creaking. Having said that I have had no issues with my chinese frame which is bb30.
 
One More Solo said:
The Praxis unit won't work properly in the Supersix as the bearings are seated in a raised lip. :( I guess it would still screw together OK but the expanding collet element wouldn't work as it has nothing to expand against.

Update: I've bought the KCNC PF30 unit to run my Power2Max (would fit any other 24mm crankset i.e. Shimano). The cheapest I found it is here: http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/kcnc-bb30-bottom-bracket-to-shimano-adaptor-road-68-mm-prod33009/ but feel free to shop around. Bike 24 is marginally cheaper by the look of it. This unit also screws together as well as pressing in, but doesn't have an expanding element like the Praxis. As above, I guess there's no reason why the Praxis wouldn't work, but it seems pointless to spend extra for a benefit you're not getting.

Also, the Supersix Evo is a great looking frame in the flesh. Really pleased with it.

Update 2: The KCNC unit works with 25mm axles out of the box (KCNC's own chainsets) but includes a shim for 24mm axles. There's no reason you couldn't replace the bearings with a 24x37x7 type that wouldn't require a shim when they die. Something like this: http://www.wychbearings.co.uk/MR24377-2RS-Enduro.html
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Hmmmm, didn't know about this - more research required it seems.
 
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New bike is here. Had it built last week and managed a 50 yesterday. Quite a big step up from the Wilier in terms of power transfer, stiffness and descending ability. I wasn't on good form yesterday but the bike was impressive. Looking forward to racking up some miles.
 
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