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2070 Super - 4k for TV gaming rig?

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Finally getting round to buying a TV gaming rig, it's going to be a mini ITX build. I did toy with getting another EVGA 2080 ti XC Ultra like the one the wife and I have. However, seeing the 2070 super floating around $500 compared to the still insane $1,300 for the above 2080 ti, I'm inclined to take a long weekend away with the wife with the left over change.

Will the 2070 super do? I'm not overly fussed on capping 60fps at ALL times, but sitting 50-60fps with graphics at max for most titles would be 'super' nice.

Thoughts?
 
I don’t think you will be able to game at 4K with that card maybe 1440 yeah with good FPS.
 
If your TV upscales to 4K then I really wouldn’t worry too much about it.

I’m use a 43” LG TV for gaming with my 1080ti and I’ve noticed if I drop my resolution down to 1440p from 4K I get a big jump in FPS but with no noticeable drop in picture quality (to my non-glasses needing eyes anyway)

From my limited understanding the TV uses witchcraft to scale the image back upto 4K and as I say I can’t honestly notice any quality difference, if you go back to say 1080p and the tv upscales that then yes you do notice a difference but not at the higher resolutions. :)
 
Scania said:
If your TV upscales to 4K then I really wouldn’t worry too much about it.

I’m use a 43” LG TV for gaming with my 1080ti and I’ve noticed if I drop my resolution down to 1440p from 4K I get a big jump in FPS but with no noticeable drop in picture quality (to my non-glasses needing eyes anyway)

From my limited understanding the TV uses witchcraft to scale the image back upto 4K and as I say I can’t honestly notice any quality difference, if you go back to say 1080p and the tv upscales that then yes you do notice a difference but not at the higher resolutions. :)
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Harder to tell the difference on smaller screens but the concept generally works. I've done 1440p on a 55 inch TV and it works well.
 
There's several things to keep in mind:

What's the TV?
What distance do you sit away from it?
How good is your vision?
What graphical settings do you prioritise?
What games are you playing?

And so on. There will be games that no matter what you'll have trouble with (eg Control). Sitting further away than 1.5m from the TV means you can drop from 4K to 1800p or thereabouts and not be able to really tell the difference (and in some games, like Division 1/2, I can't tell the difference between 100% and 75%/85% scaling even when I'm 1.2m from the TV). There will be settings that you won't be able to use at 4K even with a 2080 ti and get 50+ fps (eg Ray Tracing). There's various settings that scale with resolution and have a significant performance impact, and then there's others that have fixed costs. You'll have to find out which is which on a game by game basis.

The 2070 Super is a very capable 4K card, no doubt, but you will have to compromise on either graphical fidelity or framerate at that resolution. But that would be true with a 2080 ti as well, even if not to the same extent. Imo the cost difference isn't justifiable except for ray tracing - maybe. But you'd have to really love that setting to pay that much for it and considering how few games have it. Imo get the 2070 S and then upgrade again with the next-gen releases, you won't lose much on the re-sell.
 
If you want to game at 4K with a 2070 Super, you really need to pair it with an adaptive sync display, for when those drops in framerates down into the high 40's & 50's kick in and it still remains nice and smooth.
 
Poneros said:
There's several things to keep in mind:

What's the TV?
What distance do you sit away from it?
How good is your vision?
What graphical settings do you prioritise?
What games are you playing?

And so on. There will be games that no matter what you'll have trouble with (eg Control). Sitting further away than 1.5m from the TV means you can drop from 4K to 1800p or thereabouts and not be able to really tell the difference (and in some games, like Division 1/2, I can't tell the difference between 100% and 75%/85% scaling even when I'm 1.2m from the TV). There will be settings that you won't be able to use at 4K even with a 2080 ti and get 50+ fps (eg Ray Tracing). There's various settings that scale with resolution and have a significant performance impact, and then there's others that have fixed costs. You'll have to find out which is which on a game by game basis.

The 2070 Super is a very capable 4K card, no doubt, but you will have to compromise on either graphical fidelity or framerate at that resolution. But that would be true with a 2080 ti as well, even if not to the same extent. Imo the cost difference isn't justifiable except for ray tracing - maybe. But you'd have to really love that setting to pay that much for it and considering how few games have it. Imo get the 2070 S and then upgrade again with the next-gen releases, you won't lose much on the re-sell.
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What's the TV? LG C9PUA. In short, 4k OLED 65"
What distance do you sit away from it? 10ft/3m
How good is your vision? 20/10 - Above normal vision, unless hungover :D
What graphical settings do you prioritise? I set everything to ultra (except vignette, chromatic abbreviation and film grain all get turned off), the first 2 to get lowered are shadows and draw distance
What games are you playing? You name it, the wife and I buy a lot of games, we play all styles of games, the major one for the sofa for this week if we had the setup would be Outer Worlds

It dawned on me however, that a long HDMI cable will do the job just fine, I've bought a 40ft HDMI cable to use from my PC/or hers to the TV in the times we wish to game, it's rated 4k 60hz, so maybe a $30 cable will do the trick!

Generally, I notice resolution scaling so I always stay away from it, same goes for nvidias DLSS or what ever it's called, everything gets super blurry.
 
I game on my 4k TV using my HTPC with a 1080Ti and 8700k and works great. 2070 super is in similar ballpark so will work similarly.

You will need to make some more compromises here and there compared to a higher end GPU, but as Paneros may have mentioned, very demanding games have resolution sliders which work well in demanding games and I see little difference, even with most settings still notched up.

Make some smart tweaks to some games and it will work very well.

Given you have the LG C9 that is going to support G-Sync VRR on the new Turing GPU's with an update (may already be out) so even if you drop below 60 GPS, things will actually feel reasonably smooth.
 
I own a Titan XP and now a 2070 Super. I game at 4k on my XP rig, and from what I'm seeing so far in benchmarks the 2070s is 8-10% faster on air than my XP under water. The XP will do 2100mhz under water, yet the air cooled 2070s is still ahead.

I think people who say that the 2070s is around the same performance as a 1080ti are wrong. No 1080ti I've ever seen beat my XP. I had every scenario better. Yet the 2070s is faster on air.

So yes, I would say without RT you should be able to run 4k fine.
 
Upgraded from my Vega 64 to a 2070 Super today.

Running games at 4k on my 65" OLED TV, its running them fine with all the latest games. Better than my Vega 64.
 
4K does run FINE with a 2070S, depends on the game, for example I run Forza Horizon 4 at 4K everything maxed and get a solid 60fps.

Some games YES you have to drop the settings, for example Control, I run it with DLSS at 1080P with screen at 4K. and it looks just as good as 4K to me.
 
willhub said:
4K does run FINE with a 2070S, depends on the game, for example I run Forza Horizon 4 at 4K everything maxed and get a solid 60fps.

Some games YES you have to drop the settings, for example Control, I run it with DLSS at 1080P with screen at 4K. and it looks just as good as 4K to me.
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Forza is one of the few games optimized very well for PC. Both Vega 64 and 2070S I saw no difference between the two running at 4K, same with Gears 5.

Final Fantasy 15, different story.
 
ALXAndy said:
I own a Titan XP and now a 2070 Super. I game at 4k on my XP rig, and from what I'm seeing so far in benchmarks the 2070s is 8-10% faster on air than my XP under water. The XP will do 2100mhz under water, yet the air cooled 2070s is still ahead.

I think people who say that the 2070s is around the same performance as a 1080ti are wrong. No 1080ti I've ever seen beat my XP. I had every scenario better. Yet the 2070s is faster on air.

So yes, I would say without RT you should be able to run 4k fine.
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I assume you are talking to me when you say those saying the 2070S is around the same performance as the 1080Ti are wrong? If so I disagree with the term wrong, in this instance both can be true at the same time.

First of all, I said ballpark and when you take a look at massive benchmark threads such as hardware unboxed they published over a month ago the 1080Ti was actually 3% faster then the 2070S at 1440p across 39 games: https://youtu.be/wHGHKIb3iG4?t=614 % is broadly similar at 4k also. Is that number constant and applicable to every situation? No not really, some games you play could be much better on average, newer drivers etc. But in average the term ballpark is reasonable to use.

Similarly am I saying get a 1080Ti, nope absolutely not. I am saying that if I am getting a solid experience with a 1080Ti and sharing my experience at 4k then no doubt a 2070S the OP is looking at for 4k also will get a great experience also.

Now if you post was not aimed at me, will wind it in :D
 
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