2080 vs 2080 super? Or wait for Ampere... Go!

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As the title suggests...

a) Used 2080 ("Ventus", to be AIO cooled) @ £420
b) New 2080 super ("Asus Dual" cooled) @ £570
or...
c) Wait for Ampere!

Need a 4k card because my TV sometimes supports 1440p, sometimes doesn't, and my gtx1080 just isn't up to 4k. Don't wanna wait (guessing till around July/Aug 2020) for Ampere but maybe should.


What would you do and why... GO!


P.S...
Considering a used 2080 because of £150 price difference (vs 10% fps gain) and because my Kraken x61+g12 voids warranties anyway (except EVGA).
I'm guessing a watercooled 2080 with descent OC will narrow that 10% performance gap against a 2080 super?

 

[slim01]

1080ti is not 4k card I agree, but neither is 2080 super.

Either get 2080 Ti or don't bother anything rose is a side grade.

If you can turn settings down the I would advise to wait it out. If you can't 2080ti it is.

If I had a 1080ti it would be easier to wait just as you say... But my 1080 is just a poor mans non ti 1080! I even considered getting a 1080ti as they're about £380-420 here in China but rtx2070s is same price, and 2080 only about £60 more.

Why you say 2080 is not a 4k card? Almost every bench I've looked at the 2080 super averages over 60fps @ ultra, and the non super albeit just about. However, I always turn off AA, shadows and motion blur so always add an extra 10-20% to benching scores... My perception of a 4k card might be slightly construed.

Even in China the 2080ti is like £850... So an extra £300 for measly 15-20% performance? Naaahhhh... That's a case where I would DEFINITELY put the £300 aside for the Ampere/life savings pot

 

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I guess your'e saying if it's only just hitting 4k 60fps now, +/-30%, in a years time or so it's gonna be time to upgrade anyway?

 

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What are your thoughts on an AIO oc 2080 vs 2080 super fan? Insignificant?

 

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There's been new legit leaks about consoles next year, and what they're doing is going to absolutely decimate GPU prices next year. Imo everything's about twice as expensive as it needs to be +- as you go down towards £200. And since you already have a 1080, upgrading now is imo a big mistake.

What's your issues with 1440p? We have the same TV, though I run mine from a Vega 64.

Fantastic Tv, so maybe a windows/nvidia issue. Had this issue on 2 rigs now, with both rtx2080 and gtx1080 on this new rig.

I cant select the HDMI advanced mode through settings>external inputs>enhance 4k hdmi signal without losing signal completely.... Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. Currently it is working, but if I wake up tomorrow and there's "no signal" on tv being displayed i'll know why.

When it's not working:
I have to turn off "enhance 4k hdmi signal", I get the windows display back. If i switch back to "enhanced", I lose signal, and windows makes the lost connected sound.

Tv connects fine without enhanced, but 1440p @ 60hz is NOT selectable. Only 30hz, which is horrible.

 

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There's been new legit leaks about consoles next year, and what they're doing is going to absolutely decimate GPU prices next year. Imo everything's about twice as expensive as it needs to be +- as you go down towards £200. And since you already have a 1080, upgrading now is imo a big mistake.

What's your issues with 1440p? We have the same TV, though I run mine from a Vega 64.

Yeah heard about his. When is this likely to affect gpu pricing though? Might just buy an xbox at this rate

 

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I just updated both unigine benchmark threads with fresh benchies off my 2080S.

Came from a 1080.

Perf uplift in games anywhere from 30-50%

Yeah I've noted around a 50% increase in most titles, not too shabby. And from my research a 2080super is about an extra 10% faster than a non super over a 1080... HHmmmm decisions decisions.

I noticed in your sig your EVGA RTX 2080 Super XC is @2055Mhz/18Gbs... Is that a stock overclock? With the stock cooler? What temps you get? Im wondering if those kind of clocks would be possible and sustained, esp with a Kraken x61. GPU boost 3.0 is still on rtx cards?

 

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Most definitely not stock!

Take a look at the superposition thread, you can see the afterburner trace level and locked, the wonders of water cooling!

On the stock cooler 100% fan speed temps 65+ degrees and would drop clocks to 2010Mhz on the core.

On water can benchmark at a flat 2050Mhz at 44-45 degrees.

Memory OC on air or water the same.

GPU Boost 4.0 is on RTX, worth having a read about.

AIO GPU cooling not got any experience of, but they seem to get near to full cover solution temps though not as good generally.

Well it's impossible to get my 1080 over 50c (even in 25c+ ambient China) with a Kraken x61, BUT I get the exact same OC with the air cooler @80% / 75c. Bad silicone lottery? Maybe, but it gets +170/+780Mhz.

I'm aware of the noise/power benefits, but does that +40mhz you personally gain from OCing on water actually give you any fps do you know? I'm guessing if its locked at a constant 2050Mhz then min frames/smoothness SHOULD be better.
I'm particularly interested in your answer to this because if I get a 2080 by EVGA (seen a non super for £480) I can actually use my Kraken without voiding the warranty. Which I can't/won't do on a £600 2080super with no warranty! Obviosuly this wouldnt bother me on the £400 used one posted above.

Obviously water can only help FPS if the card is throttling... Which I heard GamersNexus saying that a 1080/gpu boost 3.0 will throttle as low as 50c. However my Unigene Benchs (the only one I really use) didn't show any improvement outside of margin of error (each test score goes up and down each time you do it I find) with or without Kraken.

Yeah might read about gpu boost 4.0... Could be useful.

 

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That's very weird. Are you sure your cable is 100% good? Otherwise it might be a problem with the TV itself. Have you tried 1800p btw? Does it act in the same way? Or 1080p even?

I know, I can't figure it out. If I ask sony i know theyll just blame windows.

Tried 3 hdmi's, all rated as "high speed"...That's all that matters right? If not, what cable would you suggest?

 

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Do NOT upgrade, trust me. Not a good time, hold on just a little longer

So many people doing this... Nvidia/AMD are gonna rake in BILLIONS the day the next gpu is released... No matter the cost, and that worries me. They know they can charge what they want now, and will still wanna sell their 2080tis

 

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[waits for review of £100 Van Den Hul "The HDMI" Cable]

 

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If you need the power now and don’t plan to upgrade for a while then go for one, EVGA have transferable warranty if you plan to buy a used card.

I’d be tempted as always to say wait for next gen but there is no knowing the performance and the cost, not to mention release date.

Turing is getting on now and the next gen will not be too far away if you want to hold out.

Yeah I read about their warranty, but they only do a transferable warranty if you can get the original proof of purchase from the first buyer as of march2018 IIRC... Imagine trying to get that sorted in China, when you don't speak Chinese And no... Google translate cannot be used... Just no... I can't even ask a seller is the gpu he's selling is a super or not (price indicates its not a super but pictures show the super).

This is what a basic conversation goes like with google/microsoft translate:

me - "Hello. Is this a super or non super?"
guy - "Like me super for"
me - "4699yuan = 2080 super?"
guy - "nothing baby super with ti"
me - "not super. Correct?"
guy "like you what I say"
me "Please can you answer yes/no. Can't read Chinese."
guy "yes what said."
**give up immediately**

 

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People touting that watercooling less useful on Turing. Der8eaur sp* alluded to this in a video.

The 2080Ti however most people agree does well.on water.

Tbh I've done only gaming in testing guise, I've got my system replumbed and benchmarked only.

Generally I find operation smooth with less or no throttling, the PC is whisper quiet and I extract everything the card can do.

In synthetic benchies I got 27% higher than a 1080Ti, these aren't weak cards but you pay the premium.

A 2080 esp an EVGA card at that price is a good deal, good as any for the power. Sell your current card and live in the moment.

Or you'll be waiting for photonic quantum computing comes along!

Yeah seems like a good deal compared to uk prices for sure. Might even buy the card, bring back to the uk in January (coming back for Chinese new year) sell for £100 profit
Least I'll have a chance to play around with it. Yeah... Screw it... Evga 2080 XC on water it is. Spending far too much time on this new rig.. Im one of these people who can't even decide on which HDMI 2.1 cable to buy (Thanks for that Poneros! ).

 

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Nah, more identical to the 1080ti. 2080 is about 8-10% faster... I've looked into it a lot

The 2080 Evga I mentioned at £480 is brand new

Best deal I've found on a 2070ti is 3900rmb: the cheapy looking MSI Ventus (so no AIO if I want a warranty) which is only 50 quid less. I've figured every 10% jump here (over a 1080) costs about 1000 rmb / £110... So not worth it even it was an Evga.
-I could pay another £110 for the super (10% faster) then another £220 for (extra 30%) from a 2080ti. Done the maths, not really diminishing returns here. Never thought I'd even look at a 2080ti but did the maths anyway