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2080TI/Turing bottlenecks zen 3. Ampere is much faster with Zen 3

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So any reviews using Turing will show Intel with a slight lead here and there, ampere on the other hand shows Zen 3 beating Intel resoundingly.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-10900k-vs-amd-5900x-gaming-performance/

Faster GPU?
Next up, we have a GeForce RTX 3090, which uses the Ampere architecture, whereas the previous GeForce 20 cards used Turing.

Wow! What's happening here? The Intel performance advantage is completely gone. At the left side of the chart, AMD's lead is the same 20% we've been seeing on the 2080 Ti. It drops here, too, while the load gets GPU limited, but at no point of the chart can Intel achieve higher FPS than AMD.

I have no idea why this is happening, but it supports the data: many reviewers have tested with Ampere and saw a clear lead for AMD in most gaming scenarios.

Ampere Effect?
NVIDIA released the GeForce RTX 3070 not long ago, which offers performance nearly identical to the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti. This makes it a great candidate for this testing—GPU performance alone is so similar to the 2080 Ti that the base performance difference can't make enough of a difference.

Here, too! Not even a hint of Intel beating AMD. Actually, it looks like the AMD system has a bigger lead than on the RTX 3090 data, even when heavily GPU limited.
 
Never realised there were so many gamers wanting to hit 700 FPS at 720p.

There was I thinking people bought tried to buy Ampere for 1440p or 4k or something, where that very same article says there is practically no difference between all the CPUs :p
 
So any reviews using Turing will show Intel with a slight lead here and there, ampere on the other hand shows Zen 3 beating Intel resoundingly.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-10900k-vs-amd-5900x-gaming-performance/

Are TPU for ####'### real?????????

Above, you see results for the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti used in our processor reviews. Note how AMD is posting MUCH higher FPS than Intel on the left—around 20% better. This is the Zen 3 microarchitecture IPC advantage, and it is very impressive. In this CPU-limited scenario, there is no doubt AMD is the clear winner. Actually, even the left-most point is not "100%" CPU limited because the GPU is still doing a tiny bit of work, the correct way to interpret this would be "almost completely CPU limited."

As we move to the right on the chart, we see FPS go down, which is expected behavior since the GPU gets busier and busier, which slows things down. Interestingly, the drops are almost symmetrical on both Intel and AMD, at vastly different FPS rates. Only above 40% does the gap between both platforms start to shrink.

At 80%, both AMD and Intel deliver nearly the same FPS rates—we're starting to get more and more GPU limited. Just like "CPU limited" is not a "true/false" value, "GPU limited" is more of a range as well. As GPU load increases, the CPU is left less work because there are fewer frames to perform calculations for. For graphics-related game logic, there is no reason to update states more than once per frame because you can only display updates once per frame. This lowers the CPU usage of the render thread. Other parts of the game logic, like AI, physics, and networking, run at different tick rates, usually a constant rate independent of FPS, so their CPU load is constant throughout this whole test.

In their tests Zen 3 is the same performance as Intel because of GPU bottlenecks, No ####'### #### Sherlock! They used a 2080TI, they have Ampere cards....

Ignoring that they are explaining that the reason for their reviews being so different from everyone else is because they didn't use the fastest cards available, so the card they used became the bottleneck, not the CPU, hence the equal performance between the rival CPU's.
As if that is supposed to be an education to us.

Who the hell is doing these reviews at Tech Power Up? The Tech Support guy from Mumbai?
 
Are TPU for ####'### real?????????



In their tests Zen 3 is the same performance as Intel because of GPU bottlenecks, No ####'### #### Sherlock! They used a 2080TI, they have Ampere cards....

Ignoring that they are explaining that the reason for their reviews being so different from everyone else is because they didn't use the fastest cards available, so the card they used became the bottleneck, not the CPU, hence the equal performance between the rival CPU's.
As if that is supposed to be an education to us.

Who the hell is doing these reviews at Tech Power Up? The Tech Support guy from Mumbai?
Lol. :D
 
No disagreement there, in terms of absolute perf :)

I just wish they were a bit cheaper, heh :p

The launch prices were always going to be high, especially when there is a shortage of chips and huge demand due to the holiday season. I expect prices to start moving down a bit when demand subsides a bit. Intel's Rocket Lake-S is due in Q1 2021 so perhaps waiting until then would be a good idea.
 
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