20k a year, can't decide what to do

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I'm pretty sure I'll be dong 20k or so a year for the next few years and am thinking about changing car.

I'd really like a Jag XF but they're fairly pricey for a nice one and I'm not sure it's worth spending that much on something that's just going to sit on the motorway. Even if I kept it for two years I'd add 40k on it and it'll shed £ like no tomorrow.

I'm thinking something less than £10k is probably ideal for doing the job?

Sensible options

The Seat Exeo seems to be a good shout, well under £10k for a 140bhp version that could most likely be mapped to 170ish? Or could just buy the 170 model. This is a very boring option.

Passat CC also falls under this option but would be pretty high mileage, therefore by the time I've finished it'll be worth £0.

Lexus IS200d is also a potential option but they're only like 150bhp? And from what I've read, the 6 speed 'box isn't amazing, 6th is only really good for cruising well over the speed limit.

Not so sensible option

Alfa 159 2.4 Diesel. Not so economical, not quite as unreliable as previous Alfas and looks lovely! Would come easily under the £10k budget and if bought sensibly might not turn out too bad? Big issues seem to be inlet manifolds and eventually the gearbox. Not too much else out of the ordinary from a diesel of this era - does need a new water pump and timing belt every 40k or so. Lovely looking car though, best looking out of the lot, interior looks nice as well, from photographs at least.

Cheaper, not so sensible option

E46 330i? Far cheaper than any of the above. Could easily buy a car within budget and have plenty left over for inevitable repairs. My only concern is that they're getting on a bit now and there may be lots of niggly repairs needed which, whilst I don't mind, may get annoying if new things crop up weekly.

Mondeo ST220 - thirsty but should be better than the 330i when it comes to reliability?

If I bought either of these two I could keep saving for when the XF does drop into a more reasonable price range.

Another option is an E90 330i? I recently sat in an F30 and really didn't like the driving position so if the E90 is similar then I'd definitely pass. Also, there appears to be questions regarding the build quality of this model?


Anyone agree/disagree with my logic/reasoning? No point in spending much (over £10k) for a car that's just going to sit @ motorway speeds for 90% of the time. I doubt decent XFs will be in that range for a few years but then if I'm going to lose say £3k on whatever I buy before the XF I could just add that £3k onto the budget now and get an XF for £13k?

I've never spent so much on a car, it just seems a bit crazy :p
 
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I have considered it but a) not many cars have LPG (well, at a minimum it narrows down my choice of cars considerably) b) it works out to be quite expensive to convert a car, was tempted to do it on an ST200 after seeing one up for sale but it'll cost around £2k, I think, for a decent install.

I'm actually not overly fussed by economy to be honest. I am surviving with ~30mpg so anything around 40mpg would be a reasonable improvement but I'm more concerned about the total cost of ownership. This isn't really a cost saving exercise, I just want something a bit newer. The IS that herpderp posted in his thread looks quite nice, can't imagine it'd do anywhere near 40mpg but then it's going to be pretty reliable!

Is the IS really wafty to drive?
 
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The Alfa inlet manifolds were revised circa 09 same time as the 1.9 manifolds so I would imagine it's either fine or has a revised unit fitted now

What gearbox is on these if it's the same unit as fitted to the 1.9 their fine (vaux use their designation f40 box) had the 1.9 150 in a taxi running between 190 and 210 bhp

Remapped with a tuning box at times also fitted and put 300k on a standard gearbox never a bit of trouble in fact the car is still running fine on that box making 190hp now and is nearly on400k miles
 
I think the 2.4 uses a different gearbox but will dig around. Pretty sure I read that they changed the gearbox when they introduced the 2.0 diesel around 09.

How did the rest of the car fare with the high mileage?

Without having driven any, I think I'd prefer the 2.4 as it's supposed to be quite nice to drive. The Exeo diesel is supposed to be OK as well, more of a linear power delivery rather than a crash, bang, wallop.

Edit - http://www.autolusso.co.uk/workshop/gearbox-rebuilds.html

So 1.9 uses the M32 and the 2.4 uses the F40.

I would be happy to budget for a 'box rebuild/purchase as long as the car had all other niggles sorted. I'm in a good position where I can wait for the right car to come along.
 
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I had a similar problem and went for a Lexus GS450h for just over £10k a year ago with 73k on the clock. It's about to hit 90k and frankly looks, feels and drives like it has done half that mileage and could easily do the same again.

Depending on how you drive, how much stop start you'll see 30-35mpg, it is loaded with toys, super comfortable and should be reliable. Oh and it is very, very quiet at 70, 80, 90mph without any of that horrible background rumble that permeates diesel cars (I was most upset to recently find myself in the back of a long base BMW 7-series that was far less refined than my 450h)

If total cost of ownership is a consideration then insurance on mine is low, it's only worn through half the life of the tyres in 17k miles and servicing doesn't seem too expensive either.

Oh and it does this if you get bored.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbv1i6GvE7s

Only major downside if the boot size which is rather Ford Focus sized but never been a problem for me.
 
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I did notice them but figured they would be nowhere near the 30mpg mark, I don't do much stop/start and manage to hit max economy in my current car so I'd say I can drive pretty economically.

The GS is also pretty big! Perhaps a bit overkill, but I might still test drive one anyway. Did you consider an IS at all?
 
I did notice them but figured they would be nowhere near the 30mpg mark, I don't do much stop/start and manage to hit max economy in my current car so I'd say I can drive pretty economically.

The GS is also pretty big! Perhaps a bit overkill, but I might still test drive one anyway. Did you consider an IS at all?

Didn't consider an IS at all, I wanted a big car for better comfort, toys etc. Also whilst it is big, it is very easy to maneuver and park thanks to sensors and cameras.

30mpg is very easy to achieve, only times I've dropped below is with lots of town/stop&start or when I've driven like a dick.

You can see my fuel consumption in my sig.

Not the ideal car for a lot of people but works very well for me and certainly worth a look IMO.
 
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I'd also be concerned about the battery, what's the lifespan like? I'd imagine they cost a fair bit to replace.
 
I'd also be concerned about the battery, what's the lifespan like? I'd imagine they cost a fair bit to replace.

Plenty of Prius taxis on mega mileage and it's basically the same system. When I looked the only problem I could find was one chap who had a problem with the inverter and Lexus ended up paying a big contribution to the cost.

From what I can tell the battery should last the life of the car, they are expensive to replace but the chance of it needing to be replaced is very, very low.
 
I looked at a few cars before getting my TT.

At 5-6k all the Alfas seemed to have aged badly, wheras the Lexus' all looked great at 70k. I don't know if it's down to the type of driver, or the quality of the components used.

The Lexus I liked the most was the IS220d. 175bhp for 45mpg seemed a decent trade off.
 
Go for the largest car/highest segment possible. It makes a big difference on the motorway. I'd personally be looking for something in the E/A6/5 segment or above. W211's E320 CDIs are cheap and good all-rounders.

Not sure what you would be willing to pay for one, but for example: http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201402091679081/

38.7 MPG combined, 0-62 in 6.8 seconds, rides nice
 
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