£2K budget for console gaming TV, but do i wait for HDMI 2.1

Ali195 · 8 Mar 2019 at 13:19

Budget £2K. Currenly using a 43" 10 year old LG HD TV (archaic yes i know

) that is used 95% of the time for PS4 base model gaming. I'm now looking to purchase a replacement, was consdering the 55 9FN, but it has no support for HDMI 2.1 and looks like nothing will until atleast Nov onward (realistically speaking for true HDMI 2.1 based on the chip makers)

We almost never watch TV & never watch movies and is really only used for console gaming but will be used for the next 5+ years minimum with the PS5 (when it's released) and zero chance of PC gaming.

What would you suggest, when taking into account this old boy is still in the dark ages for TV tech but a total console lover (single player, never online) & wishes to 'upgrade' into the 21st century.

Psycho Sonny · 8 Mar 2019 at 14:59

65" XF90 it's around £1300 now.

you can then spend the spare £700 on a yamaha YSP 2700 or spend more on the samsung n950 atmos soundbar with wireless seperates.

Poneros · 8 Mar 2019 at 15:18

Probably not gonna make much of a difference for console-only usage. The only thing might be VRR range, better with hdmi 2.1 but unknown atm (also unknown if PS5 will support it).

Ali195 · 8 Mar 2019 at 16:03

Regarding the XF90, it doesn't support HDR10+, that i am aware of & is one of the biggest reason i've wanted to consider the Samsung. But agreed the price is a hell of a lot less but at what cost in the range of use i'm talking with?

Also how HDR is implemented on the console. Is Dobly hardware level & HDR 10 and 10+ software?

Poneros · 8 Mar 2019 at 17:01

Ali195 said:
Regarding the XF90, it doesn't support HDR10+, that i am aware of & is one of the biggest reason i've wanted to consider the Samsung. But agreed the price is a hell of a lot less but at what cost in the range of use i'm talking with?

Also how HDR is implemented on the console. Is Dobly hardware level & HDR 10 and 10+ software?

It's both hardware & software. The difference between HDR10+ & HDR10 is marginal, and afaik 10+ doesn't even exist in games. In fact, I'm pretty sure all games are simply HDR10. I saw there's some Dolby Vision games like BF1/5/ME:A (All frostbite games basically) but solely on PC. Whether that's going to change in the future is anyone's guess. I'd sooner bet on Dolby Vision than HDR10+ though, seeing as Samsung's the only one trying to push that pony.

Psycho Sonny · 8 Mar 2019 at 17:04

Ali195 said:
Regarding the XF90, it doesn't support HDR10+, that i am aware of & is one of the biggest reason i've wanted to consider the Samsung. But agreed the price is a hell of a lot less but at what cost in the range of use i'm talking with?

Also how HDR is implemented on the console. Is Dobly hardware level & HDR 10 and 10+ software?

HDR10+ is not a big deal it's limited to some stuff on prime.

Also Dolby Vision already does what HDR10+ does just that you need a license from Dolby whereas HDR10+ is an open format with a yearly admin cost.

So that isn't a deal breaker IMO.

It's essentially Samsung vs Dolby and Dolby is being backed by LG, Sony, etc. So I can't see HDR10+ killing off DV.

It's likely all content that supports HDR10+ will support DV too therefore make no difference to what you see on the screen.

HDR is all metadata within signal.

chaparral · 9 Mar 2019 at 03:46

I wouldn't really what to spend 2K on a TV this close to TV's with HDMI 2.1 being released

But you may find the first TV's with HDMI 2.1 will cost more then 2K as they will most likely only be the Flagship models to start with

Psycho Sonny · 9 Mar 2019 at 08:32

chaparral said:
I wouldn't really what to spend 2K on a TV this close to TV's with HDMI 2.1 being released

But you may find the first TV's with HDMI 2.1 will cost more then 2K as they will most likely only be the Flagship models to start with

I don't see any use for HDMI 2.1 in the real world for at least 10 years tbh.

Unless you are a pc gamer.

4k 60hz is enough, what content is there that goes above that? It will take 5-10 years before we see anything other than demos

chaparral · 9 Mar 2019 at 21:14

Psycho Sonny said:
I don't see any use for HDMI 2.1 in the real world for at least 10 years tbh.

Am already using eARC which is part of the new HDMI 2.1 spec (Sony AF9 OLED's support eARC

)

HDMI Specification 2.1 feature highlights include:

eARC simplifies connectivity, provides greater ease of use, and supports the most advanced audio formats and highest audio quality. It ensures full compatibility between audio devices and upcoming HDMI 2.1 products

https://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_1/index.aspx

Psycho Sonny · 9 Mar 2019 at 21:17

chaparral said:
Am already using eARC which is part of the new HDMI 2.1 spec (Sony included support for eARC on there AF9 OLED's )

what does it do that i'm not already currently doing with my XF90 and YSP 2700?

chaparral · 9 Mar 2019 at 21:29

Psycho Sonny said:
what does it do that i'm not already currently doing with my XF90 and YSP 2700?

eARC can pass through more advanced audio formats

https://helpguide.sony.net/tv/faep2/v1/en/04-04_04.html

Pass-through audio formats supported with eARC
Confirm that you can pass-through the following audio formats.

7.1 channel linear PCM: 32/44.1/48 kHz 16 bits

Dolby Digital

Dolby Digital Plus

DTS

Dolby TrueHD

DTS-HD MA

Dolby Atmos - Dolby Digital Plus

Dolby Atmos - Dolby TrueHD

DTS:X Master Audio

Psycho Sonny · 9 Mar 2019 at 21:56

chaparral said:
eARC can pass through more advanced audio formats

https://helpguide.sony.net/tv/faep2/v1/en/04-04_04.html

ARC does

PCM (2 channel)
Dolby Digital (up to 5.1 channel)
DTS Digital Surround (up to 5.1 channel)

eARC does

Dolby Digital Plus (up to 7.1 channel)
Dolby TrueHD (up to 7.1 channel)
Dolby Atmos
DTS-HD High Resolution Audio (up to 7.1 channel)
DTS-HD Master Audio (up to 7.1 channel)
DTS:X

so it's for 7.1 and Atmos essentially. Which 99% of people don't have. Even in my main living room I have an ATMOS AVR but i only have 5.1 hooked up to it.

TALON1973 · 12 Mar 2019 at 20:26

Personally I think you are wasting your cash if looking at £2000 . Just for console gaming ??? Way OTT

aoaaron · 12 Mar 2019 at 23:47

Have you got sound sorted?

I personally feel sound = visuals >> console/PC

I still don't get quite get why people invest more money on their TV than their sound system, despite sound systems lasting A LOT longer than any TV.

Assuming you have a solid 5.1 sound setup, get any Sony 65'' inch set which has full array backlight dimming. The more zones, the better.

Assuming you don't, then I'd personally get a 65'' edge lit for 1k and then spend the rest on good quality sound (AVR, 2 fronts, 1 centre at a minimum but I'd stretch to get the rears too).

This thread reminds me I should really complete my sound setup by getting 2 dolby atmos speakers. I just don't know where to put them.

Psycho Sonny · 13 Mar 2019 at 11:18

I'd much rather get a 55" FALD than a 65" edge lit.

or 65" FALD then buy a £500 soundbar later on. but at his budget he can get both anyway. £1300 for a 65" XF90 and he has £700 to spend on a YSP 2700 or a Samsung high end soundbar.

aoaaron · 13 Mar 2019 at 21:39

Psycho Sonny said:
I'd much rather get a 55" FALD than a 65" edge lit.

or 65" FALD then buy a £500 soundbar later on. but at his budget he can get both anyway. £1300 for a 65" XF90 and he has £700 to spend on a YSP 2700 or a Samsung high end soundbar.

I'd have to disagree.

Screen size is so underrated. I have a 65'' TV now and especially for 21:9 content, would happily accept a 75 inch TV. If I had a 75 inch TV I could also just game at 21:9 custom resolution instead and not have to buy a new GPU for a while.

Psycho Sonny · 13 Mar 2019 at 21:49

aoaaron said:
I'd have to disagree.

Screen size is so underrated. I have a 65'' TV now and especially for 21:9 content, would happily accept a 75 inch TV. If I had a 75 inch TV I could also just game at 21:9 custom resolution instead and not have to buy a new GPU for a while.

your post makes no sense.

you said "Assuming you have a solid 5.1 sound setup, get any Sony 65'' inch set which has full array backlight dimming. The more zones, the better.

Assuming you don't, then I'd personally get a 65'' edge lit for 1k and then spend the rest on good quality sound"

you are the one saying buy a 65" edge lit when he has a £2K budget which is enough to get him a 65" FALD.

also a 75" edge lit would be terrible if that is what you are now saying. the bleeding would be horrible as well as the panel issues. the bigger you go the worse the panel lottery becomes

Eurofighter · 14 Mar 2019 at 10:43

I am waiting for HDMI 2.1 before I buy a new TV also. I think VRR will be important. I am a PC gamer.

I need a new phone and some repairs to my car and stuff for my new house so I can spend money on that and wait it out personally.

aoaaron · 14 Mar 2019 at 20:30

Psycho Sonny said:
your post makes no sense.

you said "Assuming you have a solid 5.1 sound setup, get any Sony 65'' inch set which has full array backlight dimming. The more zones, the better.

Assuming you don't, then I'd personally get a 65'' edge lit for 1k and then spend the rest on good quality sound"

you are the one saying buy a 65" edge lit when he has a £2K budget which is enough to get him a 65" FALD.

also a 75" edge lit would be terrible if that is what you are now saying. the bleeding would be horrible as well as the panel issues. the bigger you go the worse the panel lottery becomes

I'm saying, assuming you DON'T have a good sound setup - I'd advise you split your money between sound and a TV (i.e. sacrificing FALD for edge lit).
If you do have a good sound setup, then go ahead and splash all the money on the best LCD TV you can (which would be a FALD).

Does this make more sense to you or have I mis-typed somewhere?

I can't understand people who have a high-end TV and utterly rubbish sound blaring from a cheap sound-bar or TV speakers.

My reasoning for going for a 75inch set over a 65 inch set is personal preference over a larger screen for immersion/cinema-like experience over image quality.

I never said a 75 inch edge lit TV would have better halo effect, image quality or blooming.. They will be worse, of course. I'm stating I feel a 75 inch TV set is simply more enjoyable aslong as its not a terrible TV. You're welcome to disagree of course as if image fidelity is of paramount importance an OLED or higher end set at a lower price would be better.

I went from a 50 inch TV to a 65 inch TV and the sheer size (forgetting it was an edge lit to FALD) was amazing. And I actually feel even thats too small and I'd happily go to a 75 if I could find a set I liked at a decent price.

I personally think screen size is incredibly underrated when we have discussions like this.

Again.. you are welcome to disagree..

Also you've quoted two of my posts with quite a weird/sinister tone. I hope you're okay.

Psycho Sonny · 15 Mar 2019 at 08:41

aoaaron said:
I'm saying, assuming you DON'T have a good sound setup - I'd advise you split your money between sound and a TV (i.e. sacrificing FALD for edge lit).
If you do have a good sound setup, then go ahead and splash all the money on the best LCD TV you can (which would be a FALD).

Does this make more sense to you or have I mis-typed somewhere?

I can't understand people who have a high-end TV and utterly rubbish sound blaring from a cheap sound-bar or TV speakers.

My reasoning for going for a 75inch set over a 65 inch set is personal preference over a larger screen for immersion/cinema-like experience over image quality.

I never said a 75 inch edge lit TV would have better halo effect, image quality or blooming.. They will be worse, of course. I'm stating I feel a 75 inch TV set is simply more enjoyable aslong as its not a terrible TV. You're welcome to disagree of course as if image fidelity is of paramount importance an OLED or higher end set at a lower price would be better.

I went from a 50 inch TV to a 65 inch TV and the sheer size (forgetting it was an edge lit to FALD) was amazing. And I actually feel even thats too small and I'd happily go to a 75 if I could find a set I liked at a decent price.

I personally think screen size is incredibly underrated when we have discussions like this.

Again.. you are welcome to disagree..

Also you've quoted two of my posts with quite a weird/sinister tone. I hope you're okay.

you seem to be failing to understand not everyone can accomodate a 65". and i know full well how good large tv's look. my mate has a 75" FALD in his living room which cost £3k from Sony and it has over 1500 zones in it too.

i also own a plasma as well as a XF90 and a 4k LG. I also said in my post he can afford a 65" XF90 and a good sound bar. you seem to be focusing on cheap soundbars. he can afford a YSP 27000 which isn't cheap and will rival home cinema set ups.

you are being extremely biased in your views and using incorrect information. soundbars are now at a point and have been for some time in the high end of the spectrum where they can pretty much do what a 5.1 system can do. they even do atmos too.

again your bias towards size over quality is wrong simply because a 75" edge lit would look terrible. i would much rather have a 65" FALD as would most who know anything about picture quality. OLED also doesn't suit everyones usage. mine especially in 1 of my rooms as it's used purely for static content.

also if you can't understand why people have a big tv and use tv speakers it's down to the fact they don't care. that is a fact 99% of people don't care. the mass market just wants a big tv and they don't care about FALD either or OLED all they want is large for the cheapest price. which is why when they ask me for advice i tell them the tv to buy and then they go to currys and buy the cheapest and largest tv they have on offer like a samsung 6 series.

my mate has a 75" and i would never buy one. he's bought 3 over the past 3 years and he's had to return the first 1 several times due to panel issues. the second again had issues and the third he has kept but it cost £3k. i've seen how it works for him he has a 5 bed house with much larger rooms. i'm in a large detached 3 bed with attached garage. so a 75" would look stupid. 65" is the biggest i will go. so you need to get it in your head there is a limit when it comes to size too and that limit is now been reached for most normal people. FYI my dad has a 5 bed house and bigger tv's than mine and I think they are too small personally as his house is massive.