2nd Hand Monitors and the people who sell them

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OK so this is a bit of a rant thread.

I buy a lot of second hand monitors for my business probably about 100 a year and tend to source them from eBay. The reason I buy second hand and not new is you can get them for about 25% of the cost and when you are buying 100 a year that soon adds up.

I only buy monitors that are in great condition. I am not interested in monitors that have loads of dead pixels, squashed bugs, pressure marks, scratches or any other defects. Therefore I specifically seek out good quality monitors and specifically ask the seller if the monitor has any of the above defects. I will only buy a monitor if the seller can assure me that there are no defects.

So after buying a monitor that has been sold under the assurance that there are no issues, I would estimate that for every 1 good quality, as described monitor I receive, I will receive 3 that are not as described.

The most common issue I come across is that when asked if there are any scratches on the screen, the seller answers no and upon inspection I find multiple obvious scratches. the vast majority of these scratched monitors turn up filthy making it impossible for the seller to be able to tell if there are any defects in the first place. Therefore I have to come to the conclusion that three quarters of sellers I deal with are liars.

For instance, just today I received a monitor that was described as both "Has not been used. Just opened." and "Opened – never used". When I inspected it this is what it looks like out of the box:

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A filthy, clearly not just taken out of the box for a photo, monitor that also has the added bonus of a squashed bug behind the screen. To make matters worse the seller has decided instead of just letting me return it for a refund, they would rather argue about it. A silly thing to do considering I am 100% guaranteed a refund if I open a dispute and it puts them at risk of negative feedback. Multiply this a couple of hundred times a year.

The cost savings of buying from eBay are still outweighing the hassle. Just.

The thing is, why do eBay sellers do this? More to the point, why do eBay sellers do this to themselves? I specifically ask the sellers about the defects so that I have in writing that the monitors have no defects. That makes it super simple for me to dispute the transaction and allow me to return the monitor at the sellers expense. It ends up costing the seller more than the monitor is worth in postage. If you were trying to sell a monitor and someone asks very specific questions about defects you have to be some sort of special idiot to either not bother checking to see if it has defects and say it doesn't, or just straight up lie about it.

I can see why the big sellers do it. They can absorb the cost through volume.

It just astounds me though the amount of people who are idiots and liars on eBay. Oh well. Rant over. Feel a bit better now!
 
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Rubbish. If something is listed as clean, in excellent condition and with no faults, and you explicitly ask the seller if it's clean, in excellent condition and with no faults and they confirm that it is clean, in excellent condition and with no faults, it is perfectly reasonable to expect the item to be clean, in excellent condition and with no faults. Thankfully Ebay, Paypal, etc. and the law all agree with me, even if you don't (remind me never to buy anything from you in the MM!).

Couldn't have said it better myself.

That last seller saw the light after a couple of days and sent me a return label but not before I started a dispute and reminded them that I was still considering what sort of feedback I would be leaving them.

Just ordered another monitor from a company that advertised it as "Grade A. Free from any defects such as scratches, pressure marks etc."

We shall see.
 
Yeah that's what I reckon. OP is a fussy buyer but they know a lot of others either won't be or won't bother chasing it up.

Many years ago, I bought a big CRT off ebay, I couldn't get it working properly and was too lazy to try and return it (no idea who paid postage back then but it was extremely heavy). So people like I was then make it easy for them.

This is what I have found from the big monitor sellers on eBay. They list items tons of items, not as good as described usually, with the hope that the vast majority of buyers will just not be bothered to go through the returns process. You are probably more likely to get a "not as described" monitor from one of the big sellers as you would from a normal seller just listing one monitor. Why small sellers list their monitors as in great condition when they are not is a mystery to me as they stand a much higher probability of ending up taking a loss on the sale versus a big seller.
 
Just inspected my latest monitor purchase. It was sold as "Grade A" and "We have graded these monitors as "A" This means the screens will be free from bruises, pressure marks and scratches."

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So it has one pretty large scratch in the corner, quite a few dead pixels, it had pen marks on it but I managed to clean them off and it had a few bits of dust or bugs stuck under the screen. Although no claims were made regarding bugs, dirt, dust or dead pixels, I think a "Grade A" monitor would have none of those.

But the seller did state no scratches and it has a large one so it is going back. This is one of the bigger sellers on eBay.
 
Received 2 monitors the other day. The first was in excellent condition as described. The second was not. I asked the seller: "Does the screen have any scratches, dead pixels, pressure marks or any other defects?". The seller answered, "The screen is excellent condition. No scratches and works perfectly."

The reality:

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So my estimate of 75% of sellers telling lies seems to be holding up.
 
This latest return is a good one.

Here is what the seller has said to me:

"I can clearly see the scratch on the photo and would never had sold the monitor with that. Please check my eBay feedback as a seller as all my items are in excellent condition. I can confirm that scratch was not present when packed. Is there any chance this monitor has got mixed up with other monitors you have mentioned you buy? I will contact eBay this morning and asked for their advice on this matter."

After supposedly contacting eBay they came back with this:

"Hi. I’ve spoken to EBay. They will investigate your claim and my claim once the item is returned. They will look into the returns history of the buyer and seller history and make a decision after that. Due to the high postage cost already incurred and the high postage return cost eBay have suggested a partial refund of £5. Would you be happy to accept this and keep the monitor? The alternative is a claim on the shipping company if the packaging was damage and the scratch could have occurred during postage? Thanks."

Absolute joker. Opened an eBay return case straight away and they are looking at negative feedback if I encounter any more resistance.
 
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Funnily enough after being given time to think about it this seller also changed their mind and have provided me with a return label. Unfortunately it is only for an item up to 2kg so I am having to wait for them to re-issue a correct label.

I bet they are wishing they had been more honest in their item description now!
 
You are buying hundreds of monitors a year because you keep buying garbage monitors. Show some respect for the employee experience!

I don't buy garbage monitors. I buy grade A, excellent condition, no dead pixels, no pressure marks, no dirt, no scratches monitors. It is the sellers that are liars that is the problem.
 
Just got this response from the seller of the monitor:

"Thanks for your message. As previously stated " screen was all good" I have sold many of these with no issues and only sell 100% perfect. Anything not perfect gets donated.

I can only assume that the damage was caused during transit or these are not pictures of the same monitor.

Either way a return lable will be provided and once the monitor has been inspected and checked against our serial number and security markings a refund will be issued.

If found not to be the same monitor, a report will be filed with ebay and Action Fraud."



So they are basically accusing me of being a scammer. This return better go as smooth as butter or they will be getting negative feedback.
 
Latest purchase.

Q "Does the screen have any scratches, dead pixels, pressure marks or any other defects?"

A "Hi, the screen has no defects at all, always been careful with it.

Reality:

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