3 weeks after buying the 330i

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After owning the BM for nearly a month now, I thought I'd share a few thoughts.

The background to the requirement was a single car to replace my MX5 and g/fs Ibiza (both now sold). The key points being that I only get to drive a car on a weekend, and my g/f is now 12 weeks up the duff. So a 4 door saloon was the chosen solution.
Other cars we looked or considered included an ATR, Impreza, C Class, Mundano, even a Vectra. None had all of the talents of the BM. e.g the Impreza was fast, but wouldn't be that nice a place to be in a traffic jam, C Class just wasn't that classy, ATR was fast, but needed to be throttled to do it.

The car we bought was a blue 330i sport auto with leather interior. I suggested a diesel, but she wanted a petrol as living in London, we spend a lot of time in traffic jams, and even the six pot BM diesel feels like a taxi when stationary.

And to live with:
- Ultimate driving machine? I'm only partially convinced by this. The steering is brilliant, and it's certainly fast. The acceleration appears to be completely linear and I'm "guessing" would continue to be so well above 100mph. It doesn't roll much (less than a WRX Impreza) and handles surprisingly well. I'd definitely take it over any of the previously mentioned saloons that we considered. Even the 5 speed autobox is not that much of a hindrance. Leave it in D and plant the throttle results in instant kickdown. It also includes a "sport" mode which holds the gears to higher revs, avoids the overdrive top gear and improves general responsiveness. Use that when you need some performance and you'd not be far adrift from a manual. If you really insist, there is a sequential manual override mode, but I've only ever used that to prove that it works.
The only problem is the sheer mass of the car. I've read comments of "molds around you to feel smaller", and yes that is true, but only partially so. It still weighs 1500kg and feels it. It's most noticeable when entering a corner, when you're only too aware of the mass around you. Doesn't stop the car being chuckable around windy roads, but it simply isn't a lightweight sportscar like my old MX5.
- Grand Tourer? Yep, now this is where it really shines. 200 miles on a motorway, that's just a warm up. The seats are brilliant, comfort levels are high, mix in an effortless engine, cruise control and lowish cabin noise. The only downsides is really the ride. No it's not bad, but it's not as smooth and cossetting as say my old Rover 75, which wafted along. You can also link in the autobox which is incredibly smooth in use and bearing in mind the amount in time it will spend in traffic, was definitely the right choice.
Mix in a set of open sweeping roads, and I struggle to think of a better saloon.
- To live with. Fuel economy has been "interesting". Close on 30mpg on a run left me impressed, as that's better than I achieved with my old S13 and not far off my MX5. In town and in a traffic jam, we've got down to 20mpg, which is RX8 level. BTW, the fuel gauge was quite a way out during it's tenure in traffic. For an auto it's hardly surprising, but doesn't make me want to jump for joy.
The interior really is lovely to live with. No it's not flashy, but it's certainly well made and has zero rattles or similar despite having completed close on 85k miles.

What would I change? Very little really. The fuel economy isn't great, but that's the trade off for being a petrol. I think I'd prefer the ride to be less firm but appreciate that it would lose some of the agility. For a GT, I'd take the slightly smoother ride, and have wondered if a switch to 17" wheels would achieve the same. Excluding the above, I still can't think of a similarly sized saloon that has the mix of effortless ability (the auto is a critical element of that) linked to it's capabilities to dispatch more windy roads with such gusto.
 
Apart from the auto box comments (I have a manual) and the fuel economy (I have a diesel) that's pretty consistent with my experiences of my 330d. :)
 
Sirrel Squirrel said:
The problem you noted about the suspension is because the sport model obviously has sports suspension, which gives a harder ride than the non-sport models.

Agreed. Being fair, it is the "sport", so it's only to be expected.
I do wonder if the SE with the excellent sports seats would have been a better option.
I've read a comment elsewhere of "never come across anyone who's regretted chosing the sports suspension, but have come across plenty who've regretted not having it". I'm wondering if I might be the exception to the rule. Still fairly early days, and I think that I can live with it, but I would have been happier with something a little more relaxed. Would have gone better with the autobox.
 
Sounds like you needed a 530i Sport - Sports Suspension but with 17" wheels means the perfect compromise between ride and handling.
 
alexthecheese said:
I seem to remember him saying that his g/f thought a 5 series was too big.

Correct. In addition, I tried an E39 (as Fox knows) and stated that at the time that I prefered the E46 to drive as it's a lighter car. Something that was backed up by a more recent thread where a number of us felt that the E46 had better steering as a result of it's weight.
 
Mr_Sukebe said:
The fuel economy isn't great, but that's the trade off for being a petrol.

That's the trade off for being a 3 litre petrol engine, propelling a heavy car via a slush box. 30mpg seems very good figure under the circumstances, I know someone with a V70 Volvo with the 10v 2.5L engine and auto box that has never managed to hit 30mpg even on very long runs, and is frequently well under 20mpg around town.
 
Mr_Sukebe said:
Correct. In addition, I tried an E39 (as Fox knows) and stated that at the time that I prefered the E46 to drive as it's a lighter car. Something that was backed up by a more recent thread where a number of us felt that the E46 had better steering as a result of it's weight.

Yeah the e39 is heavy and you can feel it when driving :( good review! I want a 330 sport for my next car.
 
Nathan said:
Yeah the e39 is heavy and you can feel it when driving :(

Only when compared to something properly light - unless you are directly comparing it certainly doesn't feel like a heavy car - unless it's an SE, I guess.

80kg seperate the 330i and the 530i, FWIW.
 
Ok so I was 15kg out :p My point, however, remains the same - they are not really that difference. You won't notice a 7.5% weight increase on the road.
 
[TW]Fox said:
Ok so I was 15kg out :p My point, however, remains the same - they are not really that difference. You won't notice a 7.5% weight increase on the road.

But I did, as did others who have compared the two.
As mentioned previously, I compared a 330i sport couple to a B3 Alpina E39. Whilst the B3 clearly had more straightline grunt, the steering on the 330i was much more pleasant. Now clearly this is not important if you're just tootling around, but for some, that can make a good deal of difference to our opinions on a car.
 
Mr_Sukebe said:
But I did, as did others who have compared the two.
As mentioned previously, I compared a 330i sport couple to a B3 Alpina E39. Whilst the B3 clearly had more straightline grunt, the steering on the 330i was much more pleasant. Now clearly this is not important if you're just tootling around, but for some, that can make a good deal of difference to our opinions on a car.

There isn't a B3 Alpina E39 - the B3 is an E46. Was it actually a B10 V8? If so, the V8 E39's have a recirculating ball steering system which gives noticeably less feel and precision to the steering - the non V8 cars have traditional rack and pinion steering, which retains the feel. This different steering system, combined with the 60/40 weight distribution of the 8 cylinder cars, is why most people regard the high end 6 cylinder models - the 528i and then the 530i - as the best E39's with the obvious exception of the M5.

Did you try a 530i Sport Auto at any time, as this is the closest model in the range to the 330i Sport Auto?

The E46 *does* handle better, but it generally isn't a night and day thing.
 
Pretty much echo's my thoughts about the 3's too, the manual gearbox improves the drive immensely, but would be a hassle in london.

One thing i dont understand is the linear acceleration bit, the M54 only opens up at around 4500rpm :confused: Below this it is comparatively useless. Its about as far from linear as you can get this side of a VTEC! This could be my remap causing this, but others did agree at the RR day that it was the case on their M54 powered cars too.
 
The engine is linear and is nothing like a VTEC engine, there is a nice torque band and it pulls smoothly and linearly - sure there is more power available above 4000rpm but this doesn't stop it having nice, smooth linear power delivery :confused:
 
Mine pulls as you would expect up to approximately 4500rpm, at which point there is a very noticable gradual change in engine note and it pulls very hard to the limiter, much much harder than it does below this.

Doesnt feel linear at all to me, others agreed when we have talked about it. Perhaps its the remap as i didnt notice it to such an extent on my saloon.
 
[TW]Fox said:
There isn't a B3 Alpina E39 - the B3 is an E46. Was it actually a B10 V8?

The E46 *does* handle better, but it generally isn't a night and day thing.

The Alpina was a B10, well spotted. It had a 3.3 six, and I assume would therefore be based on the E39 530i sport.

You're right, there wasn't a night and day difference, however it was definitely there and definitely noticeable. More to the point, once I'd experienced that difference, I know that it would have bugged me if I'd bought the E39.
Don't get me wrong, I was very impressed by the E39, and it made a lot of sense as a solution, however it was just not the optimum solution for my own needs.

Jez> Ref the torque curve on the 3ltr, your experiences seem to be at odds with the findings at the recent RR. Whilst the auto cut in at a slower rate than the manual, both were singing at around full torque from around 3000rpm to 6000rpm.
To prevent the engine from really giving some welly until 4000rpm is usually best achieved on cars with a sodding huge turbo on it, which take an age to spool up. I'm sure one of the Imprezas did that at a previous RR, meaning that whilst it had a huge amount of power, that the usable rev range was only about 2000rpm. Fine for a drag race, rubbish on unfamiliar roads.
 
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