3 year plan to 25k H&S Career

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After reading the whole of foxeyes thread and wanting to do something similar, I thought I would get writing.

I am 32 and at the start of last year I pursued a different career path and managed to get an apprenticeship for local government. Now the money was poor at £14k but it was better than my previous full-time job.
Now fast forward to now I am a full-time employee on 15k as the team administrator in the health and safety team. Underpaid for the role yes but it's just a stepping stone. I have been enrolled in the nebosh general certificate course in mid April. It's a 3 month course that gets me the qualification to be a health and safety officer. Obviously I won't get that role automatically from passing my course but it should qualify for my pay to be looked at at least as they will be pushing more technical tasks onto me that an officer would do.

Has anyone here done the nebosh course, how did you find it?
Is anyone here a health and safety officer/advisor?

So as for the 3 year to 25k it's not off to a great start with year 1 completed at 15k. But I think in 2 years time if I pass the course and carry on gaining experience it should be possible.
I know that 25k doesn't seem a lot to 90% of you but me and my partner manage alright on similar wages of 15k so if I earn an extra 10k a year we will be doing very well for ourselves and won't have financial stress.
 
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After qualifying, the construction sector could be a good fit. Certainly you should be on 25k+ as a health and safety professional. It could mean travel though and a car should be in the package.
 
I did the NEBOSH General Certificate many years ago. It was fairly straightforward. The big hing I remember was that it’s key to pay attention to how the questions are worded, as that tells you the kind of answer they are expecting. There was quite a range of Acts and Regulations to remember that could have come up in the exam and you needed to know the key sections of the Health and Safety at Work Act pretty well.

The course itself covered quite a range of things (as you’d expect... it has to apply across any industry).

I’ve not really kept up to date over the last few years, but I was the safety officer for a construction company for about 14 of the 16 years I worked for them. I enjoyed it, especially when I could stand up to a client’s idiotic safety officer trying to be an overbearing, know it all idiot, because I could point out that we were compliant and that their way was not the only way of doing things.

Good luck for the course. It’s a great stepping stone to doing the NEBOSH Diploma, which is the key to a very lucrative career in H&S. (I never went that far - never managed to get the tight boss to fund it - but would really have liked to had I had the chance).
 
Thanks for the info guys. My organisation Is in education so I'm not sure how easy it would be for me to get into construction, never thought about it to be honest.

My boss said finish the general get 2 years experience then he will put me on the diploma. It's really worth having by the sounds of it.

Don't mind travelling just learnt to drive. One our health and safety officer travels over an hour to get to the office but works from home a lot or off to do his audits. I think in general travelling is expected in these roles.
 
@bakes0310, I just wanted to tag you as I missed this thread but I am a chartered safety professional working for a US multinational conglomerate (I'm based in UK).

1) I did the NEBOSH general certificate in 2008 through a 15 day "crash course" style with 0 experience of any H&S and it was hard (still passed it). Don't get me wrong, if I had the background knowledge then it would have helped (obviously) but my degree was in acoustics and sound technology, so I only really did the course after I was made redundant by the BBC and assumed the crash course style was the way to go.... *facepalm*. Day release over 15 weeks is much preferred and that's how I later did my NEBOSH environmental certificate.

My progression in terms of qualifications went a bit like this (some are enviro qualifications). I've put in brackets where the membership to IOSH is affected... some companies will pay for this membership, but in my experience ALL job adverts ask for GradIOSH and the best ones demand CMIOSH, so you'd be foolish to not join IOSH. Note: I deliberately didn't join until I was GradIOSH as I felt it was a waste of money, so you don't need to have x number of years membership but you do need to be an active member to sit the peer review interview for chartered status. Something to think about.

  1. NEBOSH General Certificate (TechIOSH)
  2. ISO 14001 Internal Auditor
  3. ISO 14001 Lead Auditor
  4. PgCert Occupational H&S Management (GradIOSH)*
  5. Preparing to Teach (a prelude to the PGCE but the company wouldn't fund the full thing)
  6. ILM Level 4 Diploma in Management and Leadership
  7. NEBOSH International Certificate in Environmental Management
  8. MSc Occupational Hygiene
* You can do the NEBOSH Diploma instead but the pass rate is horrendous and it doesn't get you any additional street cred, despite what they'll tell you. Ultimately, your goal should be chartered status (CMIOSH) so take the route that is easiest for you!

I did the PgCert, completed my IPD portfolio and attended the peer review interview in Leicester where I was granted CMIOSH status but a colleague of mine did it via the NVQ level 5 route which got him to the exact same level (except he also had to sit a series of open-book exams), so don't worry that you need to do things in a particular order. I personally preferred the distance learning approach of my PgCert and could have continued for another year to get the MSc but I didn't need it and ironically I could have done a PhD and it wouldn't have gotten me any higher up the IOSH membership tree.

2) Prior to my current position I've worked as a graduate H&S advisor to a major glass manufacturer circa £20k (20 minute commute), H&S regional advisor to an NHS trust circa £35k (1hr 15mins commute), and now as an EHS Manager in the Power industry circa £50k (15 minute commute). To give you an estimate, my "career" started 10 years ago and I probably could have moved around more if I'd been willing to travel, but it was the height of the recession and not many places were recruiting. I was just offered a role in Asia £20,000 tax-free per month which would mean a lot of travelling and time away from my soon-to-be-wife. There is money to be made contracting, if you want that... but you need to travel. I took the job with the NHS and planned to use it as a stepping stone in my career but the commute time was horrendous and being a regional man I was expected to travel up to 100 miles a day, 3 days a week. I can't tell you how many times I did a few training at 9am then traveled back to the office with lunch on the road, did some emails and then I was out visiting somewhere else. It started to feel like I wasn't getting anything productive done and that's when I knew it was time to leave. I even applied for a job with the local authority at £10k less because I wanted to get back to a "normal" role.

Feel free to shoot me an email or trust if you would like to know how I got from a to b, but I'll try and put it in the post anyway.

3) I've been responsible for a team of people in your current position and the best advice I would give, would be to shadow the H&S officer and see what they do firsthand. I was lucky in my role in the NHS, as I got involved in lots of areas of safety including construction of new hospital builds, developing training, risk assessments, lots of accident investigations and legal claims. You may find that the step from your position isn't as high as you think because the hard part isn't remembering the legislation, it's applying it practically.

E.g. I was asked to visit a clinic and risk assess manual handling injuries in staff. The manager wanted me to focus on training, but I turned it around and suggested that if they made x,y and z changes (simple things like having deliveries of medical records put on to the desks to avoid lifting and simplifying the work area to avoid twisting) they'd go further than blanketing the entire department with training that they could potentially ignore anyway.

4) Construction is a good area to get in to but it's also an area that is inherently more complicated to understand and police. I'd suggest getting some experience as a H&S officer before jumping in there straight away, particularly if your current position isn't in the industry. If you're in local government then you could always stay there but in the private sector those sorts of roles are seen as nonsense roles (or so I was told) due to the low level of risk that you deal with (relatively speaking).
 
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@bakes0310, I just wanted to tag you as I missed this thread but I am a chartered safety professional working for a US multinational conglomerate (I'm based in UK).

1) I did the NEBOSH general certificate in 2008 through a 15 day "crash course" style with 0 experience of any H&S and it was hard (still passed it). Don't get me wrong, if I had the background knowledge then it would have helped (obviously) but my degree was in acoustics and sound technology, so I only really did the course after I was made redundant by the BBC and assumed the crash course style was the way to go.... *facepalm*. Day release over 15 weeks is much preferred and that's how I later did my NEBOSH environmental certificate.

My progression in terms of qualifications went a bit like this (some are enviro qualifications). I've put in brackets where the membership to IOSH is affected... some companies will pay for this membership, but in my experience ALL job adverts ask for GradIOSH and the best ones demand CMIOSH, so you'd be foolish to not join IOSH. Note: I deliberately didn't join until I was GradIOSH as I felt it was a waste of money, so you don't need to have x number of years membership but you do need to be an active member to sit the peer review interview for chartered status. Something to think about.

  1. NEBOSH General Certificate (TechIOSH)
  2. ISO 14001 Internal Auditor
  3. ISO 14001 Lead Auditor
  4. PgCert Occupational H&S Management (GradIOSH)*
  5. Preparing to Teach (a prelude to the PGCE but the company wouldn't fund the full thing)
  6. ILM Level 4 Diploma in Management and Leadership
  7. NEBOSH International Certificate in Environmental Management
  8. MSc Occupational Hygiene
* You can do the NEBOSH Diploma instead but the pass rate is horrendous and it doesn't get you any additional street cred, despite what they'll tell you. Ultimately, your goal should be chartered status (CMIOSH) so take the route that is easiest for you!

I did the PgCert, completed my IPD portfolio and attended the peer review interview in Leicester where I was granted CMIOSH status but a colleague of mine did it via the NVQ level 5 route which got him to the exact same level (except he also had to sit a series of open-book exams), so don't worry that you need to do things in a particular order. I personally preferred the distance learning approach of my PgCert and could have continued for another year to get the MSc but I didn't need it and ironically I could have done a PhD and it wouldn't have gotten me any higher up the IOSH membership tree.

2) Prior to my current position I've worked as a graduate H&S advisor to a major glass manufacturer circa £20k (20 minute commute), H&S regional advisor to an NHS trust circa £35k (1hr 15mins commute), and now as an EHS Manager in the Power industry circa £50k (15 minute commute). To give you an estimate, my "career" started 10 years ago and I probably could have moved around more if I'd been willing to travel, but it was the height of the recession and not many places were recruiting. I was just offered a role in Asia £20,000 tax-free per month which would mean a lot of travelling and time away from my soon-to-be-wife. There is money to be made contracting, if you want that... but you need to travel. I took the job with the NHS and planned to use it as a stepping stone in my career but the commute time was horrendous and being a regional man I was expected to travel up to 100 miles a day, 3 days a week. I can't tell you how many times I did a few training at 9am then traveled back to the office with lunch on the road, did some emails and then I was out visiting somewhere else. It started to feel like I wasn't getting anything productive done and that's when I knew it was time to leave. I even applied for a job with the local authority at £10k less because I wanted to get back to a "normal" role.

Feel free to shoot me an email or trust if you would like to know how I got from a to b, but I'll try and put it in the post anyway.

3) I've been responsible for a team of people in your current position and the best advice I would give, would be to shadow the H&S officer and see what they do firsthand. I was lucky in my role in the NHS, as I got involved in lots of areas of safety including construction of new hospital builds, developing training, risk assessments, lots of accident investigations and legal claims. You may find that the step from your position isn't as high as you think because the hard part isn't remembering the legislation, it's applying it practically.

E.g. I was asked to visit a clinic and risk assess manual handling injuries in staff. The manager wanted me to focus on training, but I turned it around and suggested that if they made x,y and z changes (simple things like having deliveries of medical records put on to the desks to avoid lifting and simplifying the work area to avoid twisting) they'd go further than blanketing the entire department with training that they could potentially ignore anyway.

4) Construction is a good area to get in to but it's also an area that is inherently more complicated to understand and police. I'd suggest getting some experience as a H&S officer before jumping in there straight away, particularly if your current position isn't in the industry. If you're in local government then you could always stay there but in the private sector those sorts of roles are seen as nonsense roles (or so I was told) due to the low level of risk that you deal with (relatively speaking).

Thanks EVH very helpful and a lot to think about.
I think gradiosh is a level I should aim for by the sounds of it. Despite what you were saying not recommending the nebosh diploma route I think I might go that way as the two health and safety officers I work with (ones a charted fellow) both went that way and they said it was hard but they will both help me out a lot as it's in there interest for me to pass. Haven't been offered to do it though but it's on the table from my boss who said after I complete the general certificate and get two years experience then I can. I'll probably fund it myself. Lacking a bit in confidence academically speaking as I'm not that way inclined intelligence wise. But I'll probably buy a unit at a time so I won't be too overwhelmed and do it at my pace via distance learning.

I assist the health and safety officers in the background but have been out a few times during audits, inspections and asbestos checks. I will be going on a asbestos course by the organisation so I can then go out and get some experience.
 
H&S is a great career path for certain types and really rewards people who are willing to work relatively hard, are always looking to learn + take on more responsibility, and seek additional qualifications. I applied to be a HSE inspector last year and was turned down at the interview stage... Think it was probably a stitch-up as I was the only external cadidate on the day so was probably just making up the numbers... That said if you can get in to proper H&S in the form of Hazard Study ot COMAH you'll be doing very well for yourself. While H&S does have some very sharp people, generally the level of competion from your peers will be low... So basically you dont have to be a genius to go very far.
 
I’d echo some of that, but go further and say that process safety is where the money is. I’m considering a MSc in this to add a new dimension and open more career doors but I wouldn’t necessarily say that “the level of competition from peers is low” unless you’re talking about a basic advisory level?
 
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