3470 vs 4570 - haswell not worth it?

[Totality]

Putting a new build together - I do not currently own a desktop.

I was waiting for Haswell to come out, but it appears the CPU is only an upgrade for laptops with the lower consumption power models?

For desktops, I can't see any difference apart from the fact the motherboards are more expensive and new (which means bugs to get ironed out).

Are people just going to stick with Ivy Bridge - or in my case pick up a new system with Ivy Bridge parts as they go on sale?

 

[russell664]

Just so you know:

Ivybridge is the 3570k
Haswell is the 4670k

 

[eddiew]

It does indeed look largely like Haswell is only an upgrade for laptops. Desktop users are seeing higher heat, with minimal clock for clock improvements, and not always reaching the overclocks that Ivy Bridge parts were capable of.

Not that Haswell is in any way bad - just not the big jump people were hoping for. Other threads on this forum show plenty of people with good overclocks on IB or even SB who aren't planning to change

 

[Aleksandrs]

I've got a 3450 and have no plans to change until at least Ivybridge-E.

 

[Nuclear Fusion]

No point upgrading from IB to Haswell, not worth the cost of replacing mobo and CPU for small gains in IPC. Best upgrade for you in terms of performance would be to pick up a 3570k or 3770k off the MM fairly cheaply and then overclock it.

 

[Totality]

Any further views on this?

Just to note that I do not have a current desktop so this is a new build. I can get the Ivy Bridge and Haswell for the same price now.

Ivy Bridge 3470
Haswell 4570

So given they are the same price, is the Haswell better? I do not intend to overclock, just need a desktop. I'm just reading stories about Haswell running hot which I don't want in a smaller case... The stories seem to be about overclocking though so are stock temperatures the same?

 

[apeksdiver]

Haswell may run hotter and not reach such extreme overclocks as ivybridge but clock for clock is around 10% faster. The motherboards are not that much more expensive and the prices of the processors are practically the same.

 

[arknor]

So given they are the same price, is the Haswell better?

about 200mhz faster @ 4ghz according to cinebench 11.5 scores and a lot less power usage to
no ridiculous heat unless you overclock a lot.
4670k + sr1 pro heatsink = 50c max load stock , idle 30 c (the stock intel heatsink is so tiny I bet you would get 70c load if not higher)
@ 4ghz = low 60's max load , about 38-46c gaming depending on how demanding the game is and obviously the same idle temps

4570 I'm guessing is cooler unless you oc it to 4670k speeds or higher

 

[maklabouhlel]

It makes sense to go with Haswell if you are not upgrading from Ivybridge.

 

[Totality]

Yeah upon further reading it appears Haswell only runs real hot in overclocking and given I won't be doing that its all good.

Just need to find the current best mini itx board for Haswell now!

 

[Berath]

Helpful thread. I'm in the same position, upgrading from an e8400. It looks like it makes sense, since prices aren't much different, to go with Haswell

(I'm not looking at overclocking in particular)

 

[shadow_boxer]

Totally agree. Haswell is the obvious choice for anyone wanting an upgrade from an older machine or building new from scratch. Personally don't see much point in upgrading from Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge. Even for those on first core i7's the upgrade is debatable and isn't worthwhile for just gaming. Remember also there is SB-E for those who can use the extra cores.

 

[arknor]

Totally agree. Haswell is the obvious choice for anyone wanting an upgrade from an older machine or building new from scratch. Personally don't see much point in upgrading from Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge. Even for those on first core i7's the upgrade is debatable and isn't worthwhile for just gaming. Remember also there is SB-E for those who can use the extra cores.

I'd pass if you have an i7 920 or better.
I'd pass if you have an amd phenomII x4 at a decent clock.
I'd pass if you have a x6 1055t (What I had) even at stock unless you do rendering/transcoding in which case skip the 4670k because hyperthreading makes a big difference in highly threaded applications. (not so much in gaming)

I could easily have skipped another generation theres no difference to me apart from in poorly programmed games that aren't designed to multi thread (usually F2p , old games and often mmos)