3700x build check

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Hey guys,

Going to be ordering some new parts soon to replace my 4770k build and wanted to get some advice on the ones I picked out. Would like to have the option to upgrade to 3900x later on without changing any other parts.

Some points in particular where I was a bit unsure:
  • ram brand and what is my max/suggested speed?
  • is this motherboard overkill?
  • need suggestion of a good air CPU cooler for overclocking
  • I definitely want the 2080 super but may not have picked a good variant?
  • good enough PSU for the job?
  • monitor... anyone know if these NANO IPS are any good? Some guy on YouTube is claiming that this is the best monitor he has ever used but who knows eh!
  • should I add a sound card or is the onboard offering better these days?
Anyway here is cart so far...

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £2,407.74 (includes shipping: £20.82)

Thanks :)
 
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While B350-X470 had more than couple motherboards with scam level VRM good for only 65W CPUs, pretty much every X570 board has good VRM.
Though few of them, like that MSI, use old VRM design with lower efficiency.

While Asus had many of the worst VRMs in previous AM4 boards, even their cheapest X570 board has strong modern design VRM and would be good for 16 core.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...4-x570-chipset-atx-motherboard-mb-6dp-as.html
So unless needing for example Wifi, you don't need to pay luxury for good VRM.
Also separate sound card can be kept over upgrades of rest of PC, so there's no sense to pay luxury for that in mobo.

Though if you're using speakers separate sound cards have very little to go for them, unless integrated vacuums in EMI.
For headphone gaming binaural sound simulation/HRTF (+good headphones) is very good for immersion and challenges anything below good home theater setups.
Assuming listener's head shape is close to average.
Though Creative should be releasing sound card with head shape customizable HRTF in this quarter.
If only Microsoft hadn't killed sound hardware processing customized HRTF with accurate headphones could give even realistic sense of distances.


There's very little overclocking room, just like with Zen"1/+".
AMD's boosting of core speeds pretty much squeezes everything out from silicon and you would struggle to get similar all core clocks.
So manual overclocking could well give worser performance in games relying on only one or two threads.

But Scythe Mugen 5 would be only step behind the best in performance and would be excellent for also 12 core.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/scythe-scmg-5100-mugen-5-rev.b-cpu-cooler-hs-046-sy.html
Even RGB version has very reasonable price extra, if you're after bling bling.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/scyt...-cpu-cooler-with-pwm-fan-120mm-hs-04c-sy.html


Forget Samsung NVMes.
In gaming use there's very little real world loading time differenece between fastest NVMes and just "slow" SATA SSDs:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nvme+ssd+hdd
And Samsungs are horribly priced per GB.
One TB Corsair MP510 is £100+ cheaper and you would get 2TB drive for almost same as Samsung:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/search?ssearch=mp510
even in synthetic benchmarkets there's nothing to justify samsung's prices.

forget 4000mhz memory for ryzens.
after 3733mhz zen2's infinity fabric bus gets decoupled from memory bus with 0.5 multiplier.
and that causes extra latency to memory accesses, besides slowing communication between core complexes.
both lowest latency of memory accesses and communication between cores are very important for gaming.
and for longevity of pc in gaming with least upgrades 32gb would be better than 16gb of super expensive ram.
(or just save that money for later upgrade)
next-gen consoles will no doubt cause memory consumption of games to start rising in year.


10 year warranty 80+ platinum seasonic would be £7 more:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/seas...-platinum-modular-power-supply-ca-05w-ss.html
Though without overclocking for improved heat output actual gaming draw likely peaks around 400W.


That case puts PSU on top sucking in heat from components, so it's not very good.


As for monitor nowadays common in gaming monitors VA has advantage in contrast and black over all other LCDs.
But VA LCD has inconsistencies in response time, with some colour transitions being really slow.
Also that high contrast/darkest black of LCDs comes at expense of horizontal gamma shift called as "black crush".
(from straight angle darkest shade differences get hard to detect/they collapse to complete black)

IPS has more consistent response times without such spikes and colour/contrast stability is best of the LCDs.
Though not without challenges, because of no A-TW filter.
Advance of flat panel monitors has been completely miserable with still nothing challenging old CRTs in contrast and viewing angles.
 
While B350-X470 had more than couple motherboards with scam level VRM good for only 65W CPUs, pretty much every X570 board has good VRM.
Though few of them, like that MSI, use old VRM design with lower efficiency.

While Asus had many of the worst VRMs in previous AM4 boards, even their cheapest X570 board has strong modern design VRM and would be good for 16 core.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...4-x570-chipset-atx-motherboard-mb-6dp-as.html
So unless needing for example Wifi, you don't need to pay luxury for good VRM.
Also separate sound card can be kept over upgrades of rest of PC, so there's no sense to pay luxury for that in mobo.

Though if you're using speakers separate sound cards have very little to go for them, unless integrated vacuums in EMI.
For headphone gaming binaural sound simulation/HRTF (+good headphones) is very good for immersion and challenges anything below good home theater setups.
Assuming listener's head shape is close to average.
Though Creative should be releasing sound card with head shape customizable HRTF in this quarter.
If only Microsoft hadn't killed sound hardware processing customized HRTF with accurate headphones could give even realistic sense of distances.


There's very little overclocking room, just like with Zen"1/+".
AMD's boosting of core speeds pretty much squeezes everything out from silicon and you would struggle to get similar all core clocks.
So manual overclocking could well give worser performance in games relying on only one or two threads.

But Scythe Mugen 5 would be only step behind the best in performance and would be excellent for also 12 core.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/scythe-scmg-5100-mugen-5-rev.b-cpu-cooler-hs-046-sy.html
Even RGB version has very reasonable price extra, if you're after bling bling.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/scyt...-cpu-cooler-with-pwm-fan-120mm-hs-04c-sy.html


Forget Samsung NVMes.
In gaming use there's very little real world loading time differenece between fastest NVMes and just "slow" SATA SSDs:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nvme+ssd+hdd
And Samsungs are horribly priced per GB.
One TB Corsair MP510 is £100+ cheaper and you would get 2TB drive for almost same as Samsung:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/search?ssearch=mp510
even in synthetic benchmarkets there's nothing to justify samsung's prices.

forget 4000mhz memory for ryzens.
after 3733mhz zen2's infinity fabric bus gets decoupled from memory bus with 0.5 multiplier.
and that causes extra latency to memory accesses, besides slowing communication between core complexes.
both lowest latency of memory accesses and communication between cores are very important for gaming.
and for longevity of pc in gaming with least upgrades 32gb would be better than 16gb of super expensive ram.
(or just save that money for later upgrade)
next-gen consoles will no doubt cause memory consumption of games to start rising in year.


10 year warranty 80+ platinum seasonic would be £7 more:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/seas...-platinum-modular-power-supply-ca-05w-ss.html
Though without overclocking for improved heat output actual gaming draw likely peaks around 400W.


That case puts PSU on top sucking in heat from components, so it's not very good.


As for monitor nowadays common in gaming monitors VA has advantage in contrast and black over all other LCDs.
But VA LCD has inconsistencies in response time, with some colour transitions being really slow.
Also that high contrast/darkest black of LCDs comes at expense of horizontal gamma shift called as "black crush".
(from straight angle darkest shade differences get hard to detect/they collapse to complete black)

IPS has more consistent response times without such spikes and colour/contrast stability is best of the LCDs.
Though not without challenges, because of no A-TW filter.
Advance of flat panel monitors has been completely miserable with still nothing challenging old CRTs in contrast and viewing angles.

Super insightful, thanks very much. Had no idea about the Samsung NVMe situation and the memory cap.

I have updated my cart to the following (will add more ram and sound card at a later date) What do you reckon?

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £2,267.91 (includes shipping: £0.00)​
 
Forget Samsung NVMes.

Samsung NVMes often have higher TBW than other SSD's, but that certainly doesn't matter for gaming or OS drive.

On the note of New build, personally I don't think that cooler is worth the spend over the stock wraith prism that comes in the box with a 3700x. It will likely be a little better, but the 3700x is a lower draw part than the 3800x or 3900x. I'd either that or spend a few more £ on https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cooler-master-masterliquid-ml240r-addressable-rgb-cpu-cooler-bundle-bu-016-cm.html#t=a4 or just keep the prism.
 
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