4090 Owners, opinions/experiences please :)

[Removed User 345456]

I'm thinking of getting a 4090 for my birthday in Aug next year...

IF the rumours are true about a 5090 coming out next year, I could wait for that... Nothing wrong with my 4070 paired with my 1440P 32" 165HZ monitor, but seeing as I only play SP games and always use a controller whilst sat in my desk chair fully lowered/lazy spec, I figure I'd rather use my 65" tv and sofa?

I did this before I could afford my monitor and loved it, I currently end up jumping between the MITX Ryzentosh build that's plugged into the TV with a wireless keyboard/touchpad Logitech k400r which is fine, but I'd rather have the gaming PC on the TV now and have the MITX Ryzentosh at the desk and that be only used for computer/mac based things, then I actually get to use my new mouse/the entire desk setup as a proper computer, if that makes sense, vs something that just sits my nice speakers/monitor/controller on and houses my tower below it

My main rig's case even fits perfectly with lots of room on the tv stand (as I purposely spec'ed a case with this in mind as a fallback haha!).

I love gaming at the desk well infront of it with a controller in the chair, but having a 65" in spitting distance makes the 32" a bit underwhelming for gaming, it looks beautiful don't get me wrong, but having already used the main rig gaming on said TV before I could afford the monitor, it's a bit of a jump. i was worried about burn in, but a lot of games the HUD disappears or I could just say screw it, it still has IIRC 2-3 years warranty on the tv anyway, which I think would cover it anyway as Richer Sounds are pretty laid back and any form of failures.

Anywayssssss!!!! TLDR a few questions to those with a 4090...
1) IF I were to fit a 4090/5090 would I in reality get a bottleneck if I upgrade to a 2nd hand 5800X3D, I don't mind doing this as my 5700X can just go into my MITX Ryzentosh, no biggie, but I won't be whiling to go to AM5 as I built this setup this year all new (as I liokes me some warranty).
2) Can I get away with using my NZXT C850 850w Seasonic in a dress 10 year warranty PSU - as MSI's shorter length 4090 that will fit in my case states 850w psu? I only run the MP600 PRO XT nvme, 2 140mm case fans with 1 120mm rear exhaust, zero rgb, and a PA120SE HSF, that's it bar the 32gb ram/4070... And again the PSU was brand new this year, and seems a waste being 10 year warranty... However 'at worst' that will actually fit in my MITX Ryzentosh, as my Silverstone SG-13 does support ATX and MITX PSU's, just rather I didn't have to upgrade the PSU as well as the CPU...
3) IF I ran my 5700X what kind of real world bottleneck would I actually get, this rig is only used for gaming, literally nothing else.
4) There shouldn't be any reason my motherboard would bottleneck a 4090-5090 either surely? It's B550M, has reasonably large VRM's, I have 32GB ram, pretty fast 2TB PCI-E 4.0 nvme, decent cooling in the case/HSF... Shouldnt be any issues right? Don't see the point in these £350-1200 motherboards personally.
5) How does a 7600X for example or say a 7700X compare to my 5700X or a 5800X3D? I haven't even bothered to look for example, but surely there isn't 'that' much more in it?

I'm pretty sure it'd be fine as I've seen people use a 7900XT or XTX with my CPU and previous gen Ryzens.

 

[tommybhoy]

I'm thinking of getting a 4090 for my birthday in Aug next year...

£1500+ for an almost if not already eol gpu.


@4K:

1. Yes, how big or small and insignificant it is will depend game by game.

2. Probably but it'll probably sound like a cat getting stuck in a fast closing door.

3. Wee bit more than the 58x3D

4. Shouldn't be an issue unless you use sata cables protruding from the mb, edge mounted side facing SATA cables should be fine.

Edit: The main problem is the size of the GPU, they vary from huge to massive and they are very very wide, while my old Entho Primo is more than long enough to fit the 4090, it only fits if I was to tilt it in, but wasn't taking the chance of damaging the card on the way in and being left with a £1600+ coil whining paperweight, so just refunded it.

5. It's a quality of life, if you want the least amount of CPU/GPU bound bottleneck, then a 783D or whatever intel equivalent is will reduce/negate it, but, is the outlay worth it for not much more higher FPS minimums is the q. you need to ask yourself, and there will be newer CPUs by summer next year anyway.

 

[Removed User 345456]

£1500+ for an almost if not already eol gpu.


@4K:

1. Yes, how big or small and insignificant it is will depend game by game.

2. Probably but it'll probably sound like a cat getting stuck in a fast closing door.

3. Wee bit more than the 58x3D

4. Shouldn't be an issue unless you use sata cables protruding from the mb, edge mounted side facing SATA cables should be fine.

5. It's a quality of life, if you want the least amount of CPU/GPU bound bottleneck, then a 783D or whatever intel equivalent is will reduce/negate it, but, is the outlay worth it for not much more higher FPS minimums is the q. you need to ask yourself, and there will be newer CPUs by summer next year anyway.

Haha but buttttt I did say I'd be happy to wait a bit if the 5090 is coming next year
I imagine I also could snipe a 4090 for less when the 5090 comes out, so that's also worth a consideration.

1) True
2) At worst it goes into my MITX then thanks to that case support both psu sizes
3) Yeah as I thought, so no biggie chucking the 5700X into the Ryzentosh build as a free upgrade from it's 3600nonX
4) I only have a Corsair MP600 PRO XT PCI-E 4.0 NVME mate, no sata being used
5) Yeah I'm not game to change my brand new this year motherboard next year, if it was MITX then I could justify throwing it in the 2nd rig but it isn't. So I'd rather keep it, I'm reasonably confident a 5800X3D paired with my ram should be 'enough' performance surelyyyyy!

 

[Removed User 345456]

Oh and FWIW I don't 'need' one at all tbh, I'm genuinely loving the current setup, it's just a bit underwhelming when you jump from sitting infront of a 65" TV then back to the desk to a 32"? I think it's the whole 'well I've spent a lot of the PC, surely the screen should match the OTT factor I've paid for the PC just to only use it for games?' - Know what I mean? Plays on my mind a bit - I know poor me right haha! But I already have ze TV so...

Might just put the current rig back under the TV and see how I feel. Can't hurt. I do really like having a PC/Mac just used for PC things vs gaming at a desk. I dunno if it's the whole growing up with consoles and everyone huddled round a TV or I'm just getting old? I CBA to even play CS at the desk anymore or any MP games TBH. Just love me a phat SP story/immersion!

But it was always so awesome when we were younger to get a bigger and bigger TV, especially considering when I grew up a BIG tv's didn't exist... Then a 28" was a 'BIG' TV when they finally came out.

I remember a mates dad had a christ knows what 30" square crt tv that was incredible and something I'd never seen before.

I just love the idea of having a beast of a gaming pc plugged into a 65" TV doing native 4K gaming with a controller, having enjoyed it at 1440P on the same tv with the current setup. You basically end up with a god tier lazy console experience then, which is what I favour these days.

As for the price of the GPU, I couldn't care less if it does what I want from it and lasts me a good few years reliably, if you think I'm stupid spending this on a GPU you don't wanna see what I spend on car parts, I'm well aware I'm stupid

 

[smogsy]

I'm thinking of getting a 4090 for my birthday in Aug next year...

IF the rumours are true about a 5090 coming out next year, I could wait for that... Nothing wrong with my 4070 paired with my 1440P 32" 165HZ monitor, but seeing as I only play SP games and always use a controller whilst sat in my desk chair fully lowered/lazy spec, I figure I'd rather use my 65" tv and sofa?

I did this before I could afford my monitor and loved it, I currently end up jumping between the MITX Ryzentosh build that's plugged into the TV with a wireless keyboard/touchpad Logitech k400r which is fine, but I'd rather have the gaming PC on the TV now and have the MITX Ryzentosh at the desk and that be only used for computer/mac based things, then I actually get to use my new mouse/the entire desk setup as a proper computer, if that makes sense, vs something that just sits my nice speakers/monitor/controller on and houses my tower below it

My main rig's case even fits perfectly with lots of room on the tv stand (as I purposely spec'ed a case with this in mind as a fallback haha!).

I love gaming at the desk well infront of it with a controller in the chair, but having a 65" in spitting distance makes the 32" a bit underwhelming for gaming, it looks beautiful don't get me wrong, but having already used the main rig gaming on said TV before I could afford the monitor, it's a bit of a jump. i was worried about burn in, but a lot of games the HUD disappears or I could just say screw it, it still has IIRC 2-3 years warranty on the tv anyway, which I think would cover it anyway as Richer Sounds are pretty laid back and any form of failures.

Anywayssssss!!!! TLDR a few questions to those with a 4090...
1) IF I were to fit a 4090/5090 would I in reality get a bottleneck if I upgrade to a 2nd hand 5800X3D, I don't mind doing this as my 5700X can just go into my MITX Ryzentosh, no biggie, but I won't be whiling to go to AM5 as I built this setup this year all new (as I liokes me some warranty).
2) Can I get away with using my NZXT C850 850w Seasonic in a dress 10 year warranty PSU - as MSI's shorter length 4090 that will fit in my case states 850w psu? I only run the MP600 PRO XT nvme, 2 140mm case fans with 1 120mm rear exhaust, zero rgb, and a PA120SE HSF, that's it bar the 32gb ram/4070... And again the PSU was brand new this year, and seems a waste being 10 year warranty... However 'at worst' that will actually fit in my MITX Ryzentosh, as my Silverstone SG-13 does support ATX and MITX PSU's, just rather I didn't have to upgrade the PSU as well as the CPU...
3) IF I ran my 5700X what kind of real world bottleneck would I actually get, this rig is only used for gaming, literally nothing else.
4) There shouldn't be any reason my motherboard would bottleneck a 4090-5090 either surely? It's B550M, has reasonably large VRM's, I have 32GB ram, pretty fast 2TB PCI-E 4.0 nvme, decent cooling in the case/HSF... Shouldnt be any issues right? Don't see the point in these £350-1200 motherboards personally.
5) How does a 7600X for example or say a 7700X compare to my 5700X or a 5800X3D? I haven't even bothered to look for example, but surely there isn't 'that' much more in it?

I'm pretty sure it'd be fine as I've seen people use a 7900XT or XTX with my CPU and previous gen Ryzens.

If your plating 1440p right now what can you not play with your spec?
im running a 3090 & not really having any issues with 1440p ultra 100fps on everything

 

[Removed User 345456]

If your plating 1440p right now what can you not play with your spec?
im running a 3090 & not really having any issues with 1440p ultra 100fps on everything

I can play anything, it's more I fancy being a snob and having native 4k on the 4k tv, although my TV will do 1440p as a bonus.
Might just move it back under the tv in a sec and see if I still fancy it.

 

[smogsy]

I can play anything, it's more I fancy being a snob and having native 4k on the 4k tv, although my TV will do 1440p as a bonus.
Might just move it back under the tv in a sec and see if I still fancy it.

ah i see,
i was like you about a year ago running 5900x/3090 wanting 4K on 4K LG CX48 OLED as it was 120hz but needed to use DLSS To get decent performance

I been around the block many times, Switching from 1080p -> 1440p 144/165 -> 1440 UW -> 4K 60 - 4K 120hz -> 1440p 240hz

ive gone through 25 monitors in last 8 years?

You know what i found, on 4K all i was doing was tweaking settings constantly & not really playing the games and enjoying them tryin to get 4K 120hz AND nice visuals.
i had enough moved the 4K to the bedroom & went to 1440p OLED 240hz as io wanted to just set and forget

THEN
i did the same again chasing 240fps..

So now i restricted my Card to 100FPS & actually enjoying games again & loving it!

 

[Removed User 345456]

ah i see,
i was like you about a year ago running 5900x/3090 wanting 4K on 4K LG CX48 OLED as it was 120hz but needed to use DLSS To get decent performance

I been around the block many times, Switching from 1080p -> 1440p 144/165 -> 1440 UW -> 4K 60 - 4K 120hz -> 1440p 240hz

ive gone through 25 monitors in last 8 years?

You know what i found, on 4K all i was doing was tweaking settings constantly & not really playing the games and enjoying them tryin to get 4K 120hz AND nice visuals.
i had enough moved the 4K to the bedroom & went to 1440p OLED 240hz as io wanted to just set and forget

THEN
i did the same again chasing 240fps..

So now i restricted my Card to 100FPS & actually enjoying games again & loving it!

I know what you mean mate, 3 monitors in 3 years SO far haha!
For me IF I could choose, I'd just have like a 45-50" 1440P 60hz monitor on my desk, that'd do me, but no one makes one, I only go for 60fps and usually cap it tbh as I only play SP.

It's just as I say underwhelming when 2 metres away is a 65" lovely tv and there's me using this 31.5", thinking hmmm, and the fact I've temp used the TV before I could afford my monitor, means it's always tempting to go back haha!

The GPU itself is mint, I love it, just figured if the 5090 comes out I could have overkill 4k 60fps capped SP gaming for awhile, but who knows with the rising requirements how thirsty a game will be to even hit native 4k60, especially with RT/PT on in a couple years time.

 

[HRL]

Not sure I’d want to pick up a 4090 EOL next year as UE5 appears to be a demanding beast and as more games are released using it it’s only going to push hardware harder IMO. Not if you’re wanting it for 4K/120 for a few years anyway. At that point you’ll be wanting a 5090 instead.

If you can afford a 4090 now I’d go for it and then plug it into the TV, it’s what I’ve been using on a 65” OLED since shortly after launch.

Personally, I’ll still be surprised if Nvidia don’t stick with their typical biennial release unless they can’t get their preferred fabrication slot.

 

[Ayahuasca]

Keep the money and get a £1500 5080 if you’re lucky.

 

[Phixsator]

Keep the money and get a £1500 5080 if you’re lucky.

ouch.. rough..

 

[chaparral]

£1500+ for an almost if not already eol gpu.

How the prices of everything been going up crazy it could even cost £2,500+ by August 2024

 

[Jimbo]

I moved from monitor gaming @1440p 144Hz to a 55" Samsung tv with a 5700xt @ 1440p to 120Hz then a 6800xt on same setup. Then went to LG CX 55" @ 4K 120HZ along with a 4090FE and just find tv gaming waaaay better. I even own a second good specced pc with a 7800XT and Samsung 49" G9 oled. I still prefer the CX and 4090. I can even use a little Logitech keyboard with mouse trackpad. Or a bigger Logitech keyboard and keyboard and wireless mouse. But mainly use Xbox controller. The Cx always had hdr on and zero burn in after 3 years of constant pc and gaming use. Best thing I ever did.

 

[Removed User 345456]

Not sure I’d want to pick up a 4090 EOL next year as UE5 appears to be a demanding beast and as more games are released using it it’s only going to push hardware harder IMO. Not if you’re wanting it for 4K/120 for a few years anyway. At that point you’ll be wanting a 5090 instead.

If you can afford a 4090 now I’d go for it and then plug it into the TV, it’s what I’ve been using on a 65” OLED since shortly after launch.

Personally, I’ll still be surprised if Nvidia don’t stick with their typical biennial release unless they can’t get their preferred fabrication slot.

It's just a ball park scenerio TBH mate, IF they plummet due to 5080-90 release/pricing then I'd consider it, but I'm happy to wait a bit longer for a 5080-90. FWIW I'm only after a 60fps 4k experience for 3+ years Ideally, and obviously can cheat with DLSS/FG/Reflex as and when required. I only play SP games, and like a locked 60fps with everything cranked - what my 4070 does fine currently at 1440p, just miss using my 65" TV, and I only use a controller when at the desk anyway laid back in the chair, so thinking about going back to the sofa chair haha.

Keep the money and get a £1500 5080 if you’re lucky.

Yep completely open to that mate

ouch.. rough..

Haha he is right though!

I moved from monitor gaming @1440p 144Hz to a 55" Samsung tv with a 5700xt @ 1440p to 120Hz then a 6800xt on same setup. Then went to LG CX 55" @ 4K 120HZ along with a 4090FE and just find tv gaming waaaay better. I even own a second good specced pc with a 7800XT and Samsung 49" G9 oled. I still prefer the CX and 4090. I can even use a little Logitech keyboard with mouse trackpad. Or a bigger Logitech keyboard and keyboard and wireless mouse. But mainly use Xbox controller. The Cx always had hdr on and zero burn in after 3 years of constant pc and gaming use. Best thing I ever did.

Yeah, I only ever use a controller for SP which is all I play these days, so may as well do it using the 65" 4k 60hz tv I have sitting in the same room, and keep the 32" 1440p for 'pc based activities' with my hackintosh Ryzen MITX 2nd rig

The TV MITX Ryzentosh uses a Logitech K400r, which I love, simple touchpad with gesture support even in native mac/hackintosh and a nice enough keyboard, the battery lasts a year on the ones Logitech supply with it, had the previous k400i version as well, and they take a beating, only replaced it after Christ knows... 10 years!

Think I'll swap them over today, as currently the MITX is next to the TV and the 'gaming' rig under the desk... I really like using a PC at a desk for browsing/editing photos/general PC stuff - has a proper quaint feel to it, but I prefer gaming in a chair/sofa/with a controller.
I did used to love FPS with a keyboard and mouse, but it just feels very archaic to me, and kains my wrists these days with or without a desk mat/wrist support, along with my elbows... The only time I do it is with CS, which I don't really bother with even with CS2, if I do it's not for long and I quickly get bored. SP phat story driven immersive gameplay with beautiful visuals, for me these days!

 

[chris85oc]

Imo might as well wait for 5090 at that point. Too close to a new product. Did the same mistake but then again only partially when i got this prebuilt with a 12700,32gb and rtx3080. Close to 4xxx launch.. it was partially because i also needed to change my platform completely ( had an old 4790k, 2080 etc no rebar no nvme ). Partially due to the 3080. Then 4xxx launched, few months later psu and 4090.

 

[Removed User 345456]

Imo might as well wait for 5090 at that point. Too close to a new product. Did the same mistake but then again only partially when i got this prebuilt with a 12700,32gb and rtx3080. Close to 4xxx launch.. it was partially because i also needed to change my platform completely ( had an old 4790k, 2080 etc no rebar no nvme ). Partially due to the 3080. Then 4xxx launched, few months later psu and 4090.

Yeah it wouldn't be till August next year TBH mate anyway, and I could wait till Christmas if needed I guess.

 

[Removed User 345456]

Update, so yeah having swapped the setups over, that is definitely the best thing I could have done, IMHO PC stuff should stick to being at the desk, and SP gaming should be done in a comfy chair/sofa with a controller with a massive TV Fight me.

 

[TNA]

Would not get a 4090 in August. Too close to eol. Wait for the 5080/90 and do it right. Even grab a used 4090 for a three figure sum would be an option then.

I am waiting to see what £600-800 gets me in 2025.

 

[mrk]

Cannot ever see a 4090 dropping below £1000 used this side of 2025. That would only happen if the 5080 is actually as good as a 4090, and costs less than 4090 money at its current price, which let's be real won't be happening. I predict average 4090 used price at time of 50 series launch to be around £1100.

I had a 3080 Ti FE before going to the 4090, the 4070 Ti is about on par with the 3080 Ti when frame gen is not being used from what I recall seeing, that upgrade didn't seem like an upgrade other than gaining the use of frame gen and AV1 hardware encoding, and that would be it really. But then again the base fps would be too low to actually enjoy frame gen at my resolution and refresh rate (3440x1440 144Hz). So I just robbed a convenience store and got the 4090 and never looked back.

I sometimes game at over 4K 144Hz (DLDSR) but usually it's everything maxed with DLSS Quality at 3440x1440 which is superb with modern games like Cyberpunk and Alan Wake 2 etc for path tracing.

 

[Removed User 345456]

Would not get a 4090 in August. Too close to eol. Wait for the 5080/90 and do it right. Even grab a used 4090 for a three figure sum would be an option then.

I am waiting to see what £600-800 gets me in 2025.

Yeah it's more a benchmark for the kind of current performance I'll want next year, so a 5080/5090 could be on the cards. I love the idea of something that destroys a console with zero compromise

Cannot ever see a 4090 dropping below £1000 used this side of 2025. That would only happen if the 5080 is actually as good as a 4090, and costs less than 4090 money at its current price, which let's be real won't be happening. I predict average 4090 used price at time of 50 series launch to be around £1100.

I had a 3080 Ti FE before going to the 4090, the 4070 Ti is about on par with the 3080 Ti when frame gen is not being used from what I recall seeing, that upgrade didn't seem like an upgrade other than gaining the use of frame gen and AV1 hardware encoding, and that would be it really. But then again the base fps would be too low to actually enjoy frame gen at my resolution and refresh rate (3440x1440 144Hz). So I just robbed a convenience store and got the 4090 and never looked back.

I sometimes game at over 4K 144Hz (DLDSR) but usually it's everything maxed with DLSS Quality at 3440x1440 which is superb with modern games like Cyberpunk and Alan Wake 2 etc for path tracing.

This is what I was wondering.
I take it that convenience store you robbed was on the IOW? And you did it drunk whilst waving a flashlight in their eyes, yeah KNEW it! AW is based on you!

For me it'll just be a 60fps/hz as that's what my TV does and 60fps is what I tend to cap my SP at anyway, I just like all ze eye candy maxed So 4K doing that with DLAA as required suits me fine
I've def got an itch for it now I've moved the main rig under the TV haha!