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4870 on way back...

wuyanxu said:
go on, go find one. most benchmarks using stock 8800Ultra, which are overclocked 8800GTX.

im no fanboy, but the hassle of reinstall Windows and 0 power saving, along with same amount of heat being dumped into room. and worse folding performance, i think keeping 8800GTX is a better idea.

but if buying new cards, there is no reason to get 8800GTX. 4850 or 4870 is a much better choice
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reinstall windows??? lol

the amount of time you've spent typing posts in this thread would be more than enough to clean the nvidia drivers out and install ati's.

4870/4850 with working powerplay most likely consumes less than a GTX in idle also.
 
Shocky-FM said:
It's not that hot, mine loads at around 75-80C at load in Crysis and at idle around 45C, allot better then my 8800GTX which really does output allot of heat, it's actually cooler then the 8800GTX, 9800GX2, 4870 and 4850.

But still users like to stread allot of fud about the GTX280, and allot of users tend to beleive it without ever trying one for themselfs.
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Same here, temperatures even on a decent O/C are under 85 under full load Crysis/DMC4 etc.

Furmark requires 85-90% fan speed to keep under 88 degrees tho lol. Otherwise 50-70-odd % is fine.


@thegoonden

All I can do is give you my experience of upgrading from an 8800 Ultra to a GTX280 and it just feels a 'meaty' enough upgrade to warrant the extra cash over a 4870 which obviously seems the better bang-for-buck deal. If you are willing to spend a bit extra cash and get a decent clocker you will not regret getting a GTX280. It seriously rips through any game, even Crysis ain't bad!
 
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rounddodger said:
GTX280 and it just feels a 'meaty' enough upgrade to warrant the extra cash over a 4870 which obviously seems the better bang-for-buck deal. If you are willing to spend a bit extra cash and get a decent clocker you will not regret getting a GTX280. It seriously rips through any game, even Crysis ain't bad!
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The GTX 280 is overpriced for what it is.

There is no need when there is a 4870 for 170 about.
 
Amd look as though they are going to price the 4870X2 to still compete with the 280 so i would think the best thing for everyone is to wait and see what happens to be honest.
 
RizlaKing said:
Amd look as though they are going to price the 4870X2 to still compete with the 280 so i would think the best thing for everyone is to wait and see what happens to be honest.
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Yeah but it only works in a few games being xfire.
And I've only got 780w psu.


The more I read, the less I like the ATI route.
(No AA in vista, useless fans, drivers that need fixing avery month (meaning new problems every month), and worst of all, the possibility that if I don't post nice things about it, someone will tell me to reinstall DOS).

But I still don't fancy rewarding Nvidia.


there's only 70 or 80 quid between the two, and I'm sure the 4870 is not faster (which, the fanboys round here claim it is).
 
Final8y said:
No AA in vista ? that's a new one :)
Problems every month..not that i have seen over the years.
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The article someone posted about IQ says only the low AA modes work in Dx10, ie in vista.

I don't understand why they need constant bugfix releases if there are no problems. I also seem to recall that new drivers on an ATI means a black screen on reboot as often as not. Was that way on my 9800pro, was that way on the 4850 box I just built for someone else. If the July release fixes all bugs, what's the August release for?
 
thegoonden said:
The article someone posted about IQ says only the low AA modes work in Dx10, ie in vista.

I don't understand why they need constant bugfix releases if there are no problems. I also seem to recall that new drivers on an ATI means a black screen on reboot as often as not. Was that way on my 9800pro, was that way on the 4850 box I just built for someone else. If the July release fixes all bugs, what's the August release for?
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No such thing as no bugs, XP is still getting bug fixes.
Nvida & ati have bugs, ati like to address bugs every month, Nvida will address bugs when they feel like it & most likely will take 4 months to fix bugs that ati will fix in one month.
Driver updates are more than just bug fixes, they are performance improvements & more features.
 
thegoonden said:
The article someone posted about IQ says only the low AA modes work in Dx10, ie in vista.

I don't understand why they need constant bugfix releases if there are no problems. I also seem to recall that new drivers on an ATI means a black screen on reboot as often as not. Was that way on my 9800pro, was that way on the 4850 box I just built for someone else. If the July release fixes all bugs, what's the August release for?
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I have been with ati for 3 years 1800xt 1900xtx+1900xt crossfire 3x3870 never had that problem.

Its a new card don't expect it to be prefect when released in between driver updates.
I never read the bug fixes because i don't come across them & most people do not but ATI know about them & still try to fix them anyway.
 
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Final8y said:
I have been with ati for 3 years 1800xt 1900xtx+1900xt crossfire 3x3870 never had that problem.

Its a new card don't expect it to be prefect when released in between driver updates.
I never read the bug fixes because i don't come across them & most people do not but ATI know about them & still try to fix them anyway.
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I think they just don't like me.
The 9800pro was flogged to me for peanuts by my GF because she couldn't get full screen video to work. It took me 6 different driver versions on my machine before it would do fullscreen vid. I never watch video in windows, too ugly and hard to use, but it was stopping me playing any games with bink32 video intros.
The 4850 would blackscreen after a driver update, or after a major system change, even if not video related.

Like I say, maybe it's just me they don't like, cos it's only done that once in 3 weeks since it was handed to it's new owner.

I think I'm suspicious of ATI lovers because they never mention stuff like this.....to me they're either not noticing it, or not telling......maybe, they're just not experiencing problems like I do in the first place.

Since the 9800pro I've only has NV's though I've built a couple of ATI boxen for others (admittedly those were better behaved, but none of them were hot rods).
But then I've been an Asus only man for mobo's for years, and the strikerII stopped that dead in it's tracks......hence wanting to give ATI another go.....hence needing some convincing ;)
 
thegoonden said:
I think they just don't like me.
The 9800pro was flogged to me for peanuts by my GF because she couldn't get full screen video to work. It took me 6 different driver versions on my machine before it would do fullscreen vid. I never watch video in windows, too ugly and hard to use, but it was stopping me playing any games with bink32 video intros.
The 4850 would blackscreen after a driver update, or after a major system change, even if not video related.

Like I say, maybe it's just me they don't like, cos it's only done that once in 3 weeks since it was handed to it's new owner.

I think I'm suspicious of ATI lovers because they never mention stuff like this.....to me they're either not noticing it, or not telling......maybe, they're just not experiencing problems like I do in the first place.


Since the 9800pro I've only has NV's though I've built a couple of ATI boxen for others (admittedly those were better behaved, but none of them were hot rods).
But then I've been an Asus only man for mobo's for years, and the strikerII stopped that dead in it's tracks......hence wanting to give ATI another go.....hence needing some convincing ;)
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if you look at my history you will see that i was not around when the 9800pro was about & lots must have changed afterwords.
part of your problem is going along time with NV & than getting a new tech ATI card years later on beta drivers.
Every move i have made up until now has gone smoothly because i gave things time to mature before i buy in.
 
Big.Wayne said:
"It burned me....."

Maybe you shouldn't be playing with computer hardware? . . . I can see trouble ahead! :D
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LOL

was doing a few final checks with the case open before handing the beast over to it's owner, noticed a LOT of warmth cominig from the 4850, more, far more than off my 8800GTX, touched the edge of the PCB to check that it was not heat soaking into the board....OUCH, it was....left a red mark, didn't lift the skin though.

Not like I licked the back of the GPU socket :D
 
Final8y said:
if you look at my history you will see that i was not around when the 9800pro was about & lots must have changed afterwords.
part of your problem is going along time with NV & than getting a new tech ATI card years later on beta drivers.
Every move i have made up until now has gone smoothly because i gave things time to mature before i buy in.
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Wisdom ;)

I did try the supposedly stable, release drivers supplied with the card too, but everyone said they were pants, which made me try the hotfix and beta.
 
Goonden I have got to be honest. Initially I had some trouble with the ati drivers. Once I got the hotfixed ones my 4870 fired up no probs and I didn't have any probs after that. It performed fine and did what it was suppose to do.

The 8.6 was terrible and it performed liked a dog for me the 8.7 betas were a nightmare only the hotfix one seem to work fine for me. So you think the 4870 might be problematic? here are some of the current issues I am having with my GTX.

I can;t use a single monitor. I have to use a dual monitor otherwise if I move a window box along to fast the screen glitches. I tried swapping the dvi cable to no avail. Ididn;t have this on the 8800 and certainly not on the 4870. THis is the most bizarre problem I have heard of so far with the 280...

The GPU power saving feature only kicks it when it feels like so if you set your fan low you could end up something that idles even hotter than a 4870 without the fan control file edit. Also a few times that power feature has also kicked in on me while gaming. You try to get round a grid circuit when it drops the core to 300mhz....

It squeals like a whore when you first power it up.

And if I am totally honest the 4870 was much more less hassle than the current hassle I am getting with the gtx280 atm. Once I got the hotfix drivers and did the fan control edit thingy then I forgot about it and just enjoyed gaming.

I think the 280 is hotter as that burns even with the all encasing shroud on. Get some eggs and black pud and you can have a fry up and it has enough heat to boil some tea as well:)

To answer your question when an ATI user says how much AA they apply they are talking about MSAA not SSAA. When I leave it to the card to to default to the game AA the 4870 uses MS without me setting it. THe 280 defaults to Standard AA.

I think I am going to send both the 4870 and 280 back to OCUK and just use my 8800 until the 4870x2 comes out.
 
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Final8y said:
No AA in vista ? that's a new one :)
Problems every month..not that i have seen over the years.
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No 24xx edge detect AA in directx 10 games but you still have up to 8xaa. And to be fixed with next drivers. 24x edge detect works in non directx10 games running in vista and lets face it the list of true directx10 games are pretty short.
 
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