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4890 - 470 performance gain

Mercenary Keyboard Warrior

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Ive looked at anadtech bench for example and it seems a fairly nice increase from 4890 -> 470, not awesome but fairly good.

As I have posted elsewhere I fancy the switch back to nvidia for a generation or 2 (I am no fanboi to either and disagree with most of the arguments people from both sides come up with).

My main game is WOW, in fact WOW is 80% of my gaming with Starcraft taking the other 20% currently.

I don't think I massively need an upgrade, I run at 1920x1200 and FPS is fine most of the time, really its just upgradeitus, but I need to scratch that itch ;)

I was going to wait on the new AMD chips but with a fancy to go green for a while I feel like the 470 is currently too good an opportunity to pass up. Should feed my upgradeitus for a while and I would then look to hit up the next tech when launched.

My views are that Nvid will be bringing 560 and 570 imminently, why wouldnt they, they will surely ramp down 470 production first being the same basically as 480 and switch both these to GF110, stopping GF100 completely.

I wouldnt expect a 570 to be the bargain that the 470 currently looks to be so for me if I want to jump to green for now its got to be the 470 at current price. I think I can reasonably expect to sell the MAFIA II voucher for £10-15 so that drops the price closer to £150 which to me is bonkers cheap.
Possibly would sell my 4890, again I guess £50 minimum for that.

So can anyone see any massive flaws with my plan. Hardware is all up to spec elsewhere (eg Corsair PSU and i5 at 4ghz) so feels like a no brainer decision?

Someone put me off the upgrade? ;)
 
The problem I can see with the gtx570 is what price it will be.

the gtx470 is only 10% slower than a gtx480, right?

So by that theory the gtx570 would be only 10% slower than a gtx580 and hence faster than a gtx480.

So in order to release a gtx570 they would have to make the gtx480 end of line which I have not heard anything about but it could be true.

So if they did that, the gtx570 would still beat a 5870 by a reasonable margin so no need to sell it too cheaply until ATI have some competition in that price range/performance.

Also, they wouldn't want the gtx570 to be too cheap (eg £200) as people would just buy two gtx570's for the same money as a gtx580 and they would smoke the gtx580 far more than the gtx470 in SLI do now or alternatively why pay £380 for a GTX580 when a 10% slower card is only £200?

So, IF a gtx570 comes out I would expect it to be £300 until they are forced to drop it due to ATI releases.

That still makes a GTX470 a very good buy.

Just my 2p worth. ;)

ANd yes, a gtx470 for £150 net is a total steal even without you selling your 4890.

And the gtx470 is 68% faster than a 4890 in WOW at 1920 x 1200 and more importantly the minimum framerate is 62fps. It is a massive leap up from a 4890 IMO.

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,...Fermi-performance-benchmarks/Reviews/?page=15
 
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470 right now is a super buy! I'm eyeing up a couple myself but will probably wait to see what the red team can provide as I like multiscreen gaming and AMDs offerings are stronger in that dept.

The 4890 should sell for a bit more than that though, people still getting around that for 8800GTX cards.
 
Aye Greebo you pretty much sum up my thoughts on the making the 480 EOL, I think they will. They may as well move the 570 into production, its going to benefit from the same as the 480 -> 580 transition.
The 470 still has the same "issues" that the 480 had, heat power noise just to a lower level, but thats still there vs its most direct competition and can only get worse with the 69xx chips from AMD, so it totally makes sense to move to 570 and if so needed scrap 470 and 480 completely.

I agree, I think the 570 will be a lot more than a 470 currently, certainly in the mid to high 200s IMO. Unless new AMD chips come in very cheap in comparison.

I think Nvidia have to follow up with 570, the 580 is good no doubt, why not take advantage of that and get more positive press, I am sure a 570 at 300ish current price would be get great reviews.

560 to me is the ? its not the same to move 460 -> 560 since its already based on diff architecture, but maybe there are still some improvements available. Or old school Nvidia can come to play and rebrand the "old" 470 as a 560, and go back to a £200 price point.

I am struggling to see any reason to not buy the 470 at all.
 
reiyushin said:
470 right now is a super buy! I'm eyeing up a couple myself but will probably wait to see what the red team can provide as I like multiscreen gaming and AMDs offerings are stronger in that dept.

The 4890 should sell for a bit more than that though, people still getting around that for 8800GTX cards.
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Whats reasonable on a 4890 then? I forget the make, box is in loft, but it was a slightly OC from factory one iirc. Could I get say £70?

I was going to keep it for a backup card, but if its worth that sort of money I may as well move it on and pull my HTPC card if I really really ever need an emergency card.
 
I think you'd get that, people are still getting ~£90 for 5770s and the 4890 is a faster card albeit without DX11.

Having a look in the MM though and someones got one up for £50, I think he's nuts as a few posts below his a 8800gtx just went for £48.

Put a price check up and see what others think.
 
Yeah I can see the 570 being out before ATI have theirs out for £300 initially and then dropping later but the gtx470 for £165 is still such a bargain for the power you get even with the heat issues.
 
I'm in the same boat as you, had a 4890 for a year after coming from an 8800 and I feel like going back to green, the 470 seems too good to miss at the moment.

Greebo those benchmarks are great cheers for linking that, just what I needed to make my mind up I think :p
 
robskinner said:
Ordered a 470.

So now I should start saying, Nvidia rox, AMD sux, Nvidia drivers are awesome, AMD drivers are buggy bloated and nasty? ;)
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Which card did you go for in the end? Fancy letting me know how you get on with it once it arrives and you've had a chance to fiddle? ;)
 
Just the "cheap" OCuK one.

I am unsure whether to even overclock and my Antec is sooo bloody noisy if this can be heard over the case it may finally trigger me to look at that issue :)

Yeah will post something up once I have had a play, so will be weekend as delivery will fail tomorrow and I will have to go collect from DPD friday after work unless by some fluke they catch my Mrs at home
 
Did this over the weekend.

Views, maybe its a tiny tiny fraction clearer, not 100% sure, it just feels that way, I am using a quality dell panel as well WFD2407 so its possible it just provides a source this panel likes more.

Only played two games. WOW I would say its matched the 5870 I had the use of for a couple of days. Wierdly I still have the water graphical bug I have in WOW thats been buggered since the latest patch for me, guess a full reinstall is in order once Cata is out.
Definately smoother in WOW than my old 4890. Framerate feels much more stable in fast zooming in and out areas, say when you run outside from indoors and the camera pans out.

Starcraft2, definately notice a diff in this. When you get a massive load of units on screen say a full battle of 2x2 sending max units for a "scrum" my 4890 would drop FPS low and judder a bit, the 470 seems better, although I havent managed to get a fell scrum yet, seems at the moment all people wanna do is zerg rush to win. Well protoss rush actually ;)
 
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