£4k Budget - 5900X & 3090 Help spec me the rest

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Hi there.
I've decided to go for a big upgrade. I currently have a i7 2600k with a Vega 56.

I have decided that I want a 5900X and a 3090.
Unsure on which 3090, but hopefully with the budget you can help me get a full tower build.
CPU + Cooler, PSU, Motherboard, Memory, Case.
I do have a Crucial M4 SSD both 500gb and 2TB.
Unsure if the NVMe are better? If so, throw one in the build.
I would also like some decent RGB going on as spending that kind of cash, would like it to look decent too.

I'm hoping for you lovely folk to help throw a few builds my way as I require one building soon and would take me ages to research every component and hope that it all fitted and went together.

Thanks in advance and hope people can help
 
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markymoo said:
I do have a Crucial M4 SSD both 500gb and 2TB.
Unsure if the NVMe are better? If so, throw one in the build.
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Almost any current SSD is better performing than that really ancient M4.
Which doesn't have bigger than half TB size model.
Anyway no matter the model, NVMes are capable to lot faster performance than any SATA drive.

And while most games have crappily coded game/level loading, some better made games are capable to using high speed of NVMes, which completely curb stomp SATA drives in loading those games:
https://www.realhardwarereviews.com/crucial-p5-plus-2tb-review/12/

Also Microsoft's DirectStorage intended to finally make more games able to use transfer rates of SSDs (instead of being designed for old spinning rust) will support only NVMe/PCIe drives.
So would delegate SATA SSDs for older games.



For motherboard MSI X570 Tomahawk would be really good one punching far above its price level.

For lasting amount of memory 32GB is must especially with such budget.

And assuming use is gaming, do you have other side of game immersion, sound, at good level or using some crappy "multimedia" speaker set?
 
EsaT said:
Almost any current SSD is better performing than that really ancient M4.
Which doesn't have bigger than half TB size model.
Anyway no matter the model, NVMes are capable to lot faster performance than any SATA drive.

And while most games have crappily coded game/level loading, some better made games are capable to using high speed of NVMes, which completely curb stomp SATA drives in loading those games:
https://www.realhardwarereviews.com/crucial-p5-plus-2tb-review/12/

Also Microsoft's DirectStorage intended to finally make more games able to use transfer rates of SSDs (instead of being designed for old spinning rust) will support only NVMe/PCIe drives.
So would delegate SATA SSDs for older games.



For motherboard MSI X570 Tomahawk would be really good one punching far above its price level.

For lasting amount of memory 32GB is must especially with such budget.

And assuming use is gaming, do you have other side of game immersion, sound, at good level or using some crappy "multimedia" speaker set?
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Hi pal.
Sorry, the SSD is the MX500 2TB I have for gaming and the same but 500GB for boot drive.

Sound: Aego M 2.1 Speakers.
Creative Soundblaster Z Soundcard.
Philips Fidelio X1 headphones
 
mickyflinn said:
Intel Alderlake cpu to be released in approx in 3 weeks i would wait.
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I will look into this. Wasn't aware something better was due to be released. Assumed 5950X was the peak, but quite expensive. Are we aware of price predictions or how it competes yet. Or is this to be announced?
 
Joxeon said:
I'd try and get the FE version of the 3090 for £1400 and it's usually in stock for an hour or so when they drop.
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Aren't robots waiting to scalp these? Be brilliant of I managed to get one having seen one of my mates just pay £2,400 for his. Or does the Notify Me give you a chance. I'm assuming it's check every day and hope for striking gold.
 
markymoo said:
I will look into this. Wasn't aware something better was due to be released. Assumed 5950X was the peak, but quite expensive. Are we aware of price predictions or how it competes yet. Or is this to be announced?
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Yep price predictions and some benchmarks but no independent reviews which is key. Aldelake will also have ddr4 or ddr5 options but again waiting for independent reviews, detailed lauch at the end of october supposedly nov 4th for release.

Google it.

3090fe get telgram and join fe part alerts.
 
markymoo said:
Aren't robots waiting to scalp these? Be brilliant of I managed to get one having seen one of my mates just pay £2,400 for his. Or does the Notify Me give you a chance. I'm assuming it's check every day and hope for striking gold.
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Some people will try scalping them but most scalpers, gamers or miners are after the cheaper cards.

Install telegram and join channel FE PartAlert then sit tight and wait for a drop, we just had one earlier this week so maybe a couple of weeks till the next and while the other cards last between a few seconds to 5 minutes the 3090s seem to stay up for atleast 30 minutes as they have less demand due to the higher price giving you plenty of time to check out at your leisure.
 
markymoo said:
I will look into this. Wasn't aware something better was due to be released. Assumed 5950X was the peak, but quite expensive. Are we aware of price predictions or how it competes yet. Or is this to be announced?
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While prices might change, there's little reason to assume Alder Lake is better for gaming.

First of all hyped DDR5 has sucktastic latencies:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/gear-4-mode-tested-on-alder-lake
Just for comparison latency increasing chiplet design Ryzens achieve 60 ns with good memories and current Intels routinely achieve 50ns memory latency.

Alder Lake will also have only measly 32MB L3 cache to try to mask memory latency, while AMD is going for 192MB in 3D stacked L3 refresh models during winter.
So that 93 ns is going to hinder gaming performance, especially fps minimums, which depend on execution speed of critical main thread or two.


And whole overhyped big.little design is kludge at desktop made to cover Intel's inability to put lots of full cores into CPU at competitive price and without needing nuclear reactor as power source.
Besides general problems for scheduling caused by different performance cores, there are even going to be issues/problems from big.little causing mess with DRMs:
Intel has confirmed in the document that Alder Lake, which is supposed to compete with the best CPUs for gaming, will have compatibility issues with DRM solutions unless the provider issues a special update for the protection in question.
https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/intel-alder-lake-cpus-may-not-work-with-older-games​

So likelyhood is that for problem free gaming you need to disable those little cores!
That's also what you need to do, if you want Intel's feature over Ryzens, AVX-512:
Little cores don't support it and to prevent problems with scheduling, BIOS disables that from full cores to match ISA support.


Also complete radio silence without gaming performance "leaks" kinda hints to Alder Lake not bringing significant changes.
Intel knows marketing shenanigans and would no doubt have hype campaign going otherwise.
Instead we've only had generic marketing jargon and misleading hype about awesomeness of big.little.
 
With 2 weeks to go till Alderlake reviews then personally I'd hang on incase it does turn out to be quite a bit faster in gaming and in that time try and get a 3090FE.
 
Ryzen 5000 series with vCache is going to be a winner compared to Alder Lake - The funky CPU structure along with DDR5 basically makes you a beta tester for Intel IMO!
 
markymoo said:
Aren't robots waiting to scalp these? Be brilliant of I managed to get one having seen one of my mates just pay £2,400 for his. Or does the Notify Me give you a chance. I'm assuming it's check every day and hope for striking gold.
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The last few drops of 80TIs and 90s have been very achievable. We're talking hours to sell out. Just keep the notifs on, keep attentive, and wait!
 
brodlum said:
The last few drops of 80TIs and 90s have been very achievable. We're talking hours to sell out. Just keep the notifs on, keep attentive, and wait!
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Can +1 this. When I got one they were in stock for most of the day. Gave me too much chance to talk myself in and out of it, before just pulling the trigger :D

Based on reports today, the embargo on Alder Lake lifts for specs on November 4th. Definitely worth waiting to see what happens there given how close you are.
 
dav3evans said:
Can +1 this. When I got one they were in stock for most of the day. Gave me too much chance to talk myself in and out of it, before just pulling the trigger :D

Based on reports today, the embargo on Alder Lake lifts for specs on November 4th. Definitely worth waiting to see what happens there given how close you are.
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I mean, if they drop definitely still buy one and just consider returning it based on Nov 4th ;)

Now if only the 80s were in stock for that long, need to pick up one of those too :'(
 
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