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[Big.Wayne]

Having looked at some benchmarks and prices AMD seems like a good route to go on a budget

Hello 1337z0r,

I am of the same opinion however this view is not shared by the many! . . . I do believe the AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620 makes a lot of sense once you rid yourself of any marketing bias and simply look at the facts presented . . . I'm confident anyone moving from an LGA775 system will indeed appreciate the new technology like the IMC . . . . the problem seems to be you have to go against the pack and lose the herd mentality that seems so prevalent in our community . . . I don't mind what you do but I am glad at least you considered the Full spectrum of hardware and did not limit your choice, good luck!

that's where the i7 scores it's gaming bang for buck

I am amazed that anyone can construct a sentence using the word INTEL® Core™ i7 920 and Bang-for-buck contained within!

JeffyB, I have a task to perform here and sadly it does mean I have to demonstrate what the price premium of the 920 offers above and beyond that of the 620, I do not wish you offend you by washing away the marketing generated illusions that you hold dear but there is no other way . . . your perception of the AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620 is clouded by subjective bias and a multi-million dollar $$$ marketing campaign designed to trick you into spending more money than you need, it is in fact nothing more than brainwashing as can be proven by the fact that you are now part of the Marketing Hokus-Pokus acting as a guardian of the Intel® Corporation in your attempts to defend and justify that which you believe to be true . . . the statement you have made above proves the falsehood of which I speak . . .

You know, I’ve never been one to pick a side, or say that one thing is better than another, but this thread makes me want to start marketing for Intel

ffallic, there is a lot wrong with your post and I do not wish to admonish you but I feel it is my duty . . . firstly and *most* importantly you have the sides all wrong, it is not AMD vs Intel . . . it is us the people vs the huge nameless, soulless corporations that attempt to dictate to us what we need and what we should buy and what the price is . . . I have picked the lesser of the two evils to pit against the giant that is Intel® Corporation . . . I forgive you for making the incorrect assumption that this is one of the old classic Intel® vs AMD® flame wars but it is not, I have transcended that divide and conquer mentality that has been imposed on us so that we cannot logically discern right from wrong and continually squabble and bicker while the truth remains elusive. . . let this thread bear witness to that truth . . . I am honestly trying to unite us for the greater good and would ask you kindly to realise I have your well being and the well being of all my community as the highest priority. I would be grateful if you could join in this discussion without any bias except that which I have already spoke of and perhaps together as a group we can reach a satisfying conclusion . . .

I have noted that in your past remarks spread across many threads you seem to detract from the conversation with negative remarks but fail to inject anything positive, there is scope for improvement here and I would urge you to rethink the situation . . . I come in peace and I want the best for all of us, I hope my passion and enthusiasm does not offend you as that is not what I would want but at the same time I do not wish to reduce my capacity to be passionate and enjoy life in order that others do not feel lacking . . .

In regard to you comments on wanting to become part of the Intel® Corporation marketing force I believe you already are . . .although amusingly you are unaware of this!

Take the [off topic hardware] , it does much better, now take the fact that all [off topic hardware] owners here have likely overclocked their NB (includes cache here) then they are going to do a lot better in that test.

Hello Meaker, I am trying to get a group of people to focus on two specific products of my choosing and it is proving very hard indeed!

Take a [off topic hardware], unlock it and there is your best value right now.

The 630 getting 2/3rds of an i7 in crysis high res however is quite impressive.

Hehe just to remind you the subject of this one single thread on this one single sub forum one this one single forum is:

• INTEL® Core™ i7 920
• AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620

"What are you thought's about this? . . . do you think the Intel® Core™ i7 is worth a 100% price premium?"

I'm confused. Is the AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620 under discussion not a phenom 2 processor?

Yes Jon, I'm not sure why there is such a problem here, most curious that people cannot logically compare two specific products of my choosing!
Let me give you some information to help re-orientate your further contributions . . . . The Intel® Corporation has designed and implemented their whole product range around limited competition, the focus for their entire business strategies, product, pricing, place and promotion has been based entirely around the [off topic hardware] . . . now the AMD® Athlon™ II series has popped up on to the battlefield their entire product range faces some real competition! . . . . sadly the truth of this upstart is being supressed by the media . . . the same media that runs entirely from advertising generated revenues . . . do some homework on what the Intel® Corporation spend annually on advertising and marketing and then you may begin to see it is nothing more than a logical fallacy, specifically Argumentum ad nauseam, I am saddened how little people are not thinking for themselves and there is so much substantiation necessary in these matters but it is abundantly lacking* heh! (*oxymoron)

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Two products Under Discussion in this thread my friends!!!!!

• INTEL® Core™ i7 920
• AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620

If you cannot understand that and respect my wishes as O.P then please go elsewhere, Off Topic misdirection is not welcome, nor is thread trashing, please respect my wishes otherwise there will be consequences, thank you for your co-operation!

 

[Big.Wayne]

Wayne why do you still try to flog a dead horse

How amusing, you have taken a wonderful, modern, capable product and attempted to turn it into a "dead horse" . . .this is of course entirely based on your personal perception and in no way related to truth or fact . . . .

and choose to ignore the evidence I posted regarding min frame rates and the use of a different cards in the benchmarks you appear to have based a lot of this on

That's not true? hehe I am using the dead horse right now and I am suitably impressed by its performance, I do not need benchmarks or any futher evidence myself as the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and JeffyB I can tell you hand on heart the eating is good indeed! . . . . the problem I face here is convincing you of this truth as you care little for what I say because it undermines everything you hold to be true, for this I apoligize and it is not my intention to cause you distress but simply to set you free!

The AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620 is a more capable product then you need yet you seem dead set against accepting this truth of which I speak because it means everything you know and hold dear is nothing more than a falsehood

Amd have made up some ground but not enough to force the higher end of the performance market down

As long as people continue to hold the notion that the flagship product is worth a 100%-156% premium over the AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620 then they can continue to charge this huge premium . . . however once people wake up and seek out the truth with an unbiased viewpoint I believe the Intel® Corporation will lose customers in droves . . .

We are looking a performance & price JeffyB, the flagship product is not designed to accommodate the needs of a great majority of people on these forums yet we dance and sing about how wonderous it is?

I represent the Old-School of overclockers and it is my job here to uphold certain principles this movement was founded on, the idea was you give as little money as possible to these multi-billion dollar corporations . . . it would seems times have changed . . . Now please understand the alternative I am suggesting is extremely powerful and will accommodate most users needs with aplomb, the rules have changed, things like pricepoints and high-end or low end are entirely irrelevant in 2010 . . . there is only performance that is needed and a perceived value (i.e cost £££) . . .

I have an amarda of machines out their powering many different individuals in their daily work, ranging from FX dealers to Artists to Video-Editors to Gamers etc, a very wide range of people all with their different needs so I have a decent understanding or what is and what is not good hardware, none of these people have ePeenies and none of them are competitive benchers, all of them use their computers as a tool and all of them are well taken care of by hardware that is years old, the only areas of technology that are showing a meaningful progression atm are Graphics cards and SSD drives and anyone is who wise would be channelling as much of their budgets as possible into these two products . . . GPU's more relevant to the gamers at present but with the advent of GPGPU the advantage of owning a powerful GPU becomes more mainstream . . .

I won't just buy an amd system in some misguided belief it will make things better for everyone

I would say you have already succumbed to "misguided belief"

If you want [affordable] pc fair enough ([off-topic] is still arguably better) but you cannot even remotely compare the 2 setups. I for one would not like to see my shiny new £350 graphics card chugging along at 17fps.

The disparity between what is reality and what is the reality you believe is truely astonishing! . . . . I'm sorry to even be having this conversation with you as ultimately the harder you battle against the truth the worse you are making it for yourself and others . . . . You are not demonstrating an unbiased viewpoint and in all ways very little of the words you speak are based in fact . . . . Ignorance is bliss to some but times are changing and there are many truth-seekers out there right now looking with fresh eyes at *imperical* evidence and presenting their factual findings to others, as said already it is not the questions or questioner but rather the falshood of the answers one has been living . . . I have no malice or ill feeling to you at all, I respect you as a fellow forum member and welcome *logical* debate, I will not however be drawn into a circular debate with someone who does not deal in facts . . . . and facts are not three or four benchmarks!

United we stand, divided we fall! which side are you on JeffyB? the peoples or the corporations?

 

[Big.Wayne]

I agree with a lot of what you're saying. The 620 is indeed a fantastic 'bang for buck' processor and AMD undoubtedly are offering the best' bang for buck' currently

Thank you kindly!

However, this propoganda stuff? Are you telling me that the i5 750 actually isn't a faster than AMDs fastest mainstream offering?

I do not have the huge amount of imperical data at my disposal but who here does? . . . what I do have is an open-mind and an unbiased viewpoint, I do not recognise any external classifications such as low/medium/high end price points as these are determined by myself and myself alone, I am not deferring the logic process to someone I do not know? . . .what if they are stupid? would that not make me stupid also to accept their unquestioned logic? . . . surely the whole low/med/high stuff is nothing more than a dogma? . . . Personally I choose to determine what is and what is not suitable hardware myself through personal experience . . . . benchmarks serve many purposes and not all of them are good, people just need a powerful computer for their own personal tasks and the rules have changed, everything is becoming smaller and cheaper although the corporations do not want this, particularly the Intel® Corporation who have more money than they know what to do with yet they want more still . . . . AMD® has produced a new product designed to bring the ultimate price war to Intel® and I wouldn't be surprised if when this is all over that anyone ever spends more than £100 on a processor ever again!

To assume what I speak of is not the truth is nothing more than a logical fallicy, specifically Argumentum ad antiquitatem ("This is the familiar argument that some policy, behavior, or practice is right or acceptable because "it's always been done that way")

Intel currently rule the higher-midrange and the high end and AMD are doing a great job with their low-midrange processors

As I said before I prefer not to deal with these perceived marketing classifications and look with fresh eyes at product performance and price £££ . . . . the AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620 represents a huge paradigm shift and a lot of people are having great difficulty accepting the rules and principles they have held dear these many years means absolutely nothing . . . I am saddened to see so many people not thinking about a subject logically and instead letting someone else do the thinking for them, it's nothing short of herd-mentality where people just become a sheep and follow the pack without any logic at all . . .

Once you are in possession of enough facts and become more aware of the truth it doesn't matter is 1000 people say otherwise . . . as this has no bearing in the slightest to the truth . . .

I'm not at all familiar with either companies marketing practices and I'm certainly not defending them, but I personally wanted something high end for around 300-350, saw that the [XYZ] didn't cost much more than the equivalent priced AMD setup and had a fair bit more raw power and decided to go for the [XYZ] over less speed and crossfire capability

You show a lot of promise ghop and I'm pleased to see someone vaguely paying attention to the Price/Performance ratio . . . I do think the low/med/high classification is a totally outmoded concept now in 2010 and serves to stimulate sales more than help us, who here has the right to determine what is fast and what is not fast? . . . surely this is entirely subjective?

Surely what you would call Low end is high end to some? . . . Surely what some would call High-end is low end to others? . . . These concepts are not logical and we should stop using them immediately. . . . people are blanket using these terms that are entirely subjective? . . . . . . meanwhile the Corporations continue to rack up the profits!

What I am saying to you is ghop that a AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620 is the *new* baseline that we must use when we look up at more expensive products, as I mentioned already I have just a tri-core version with DDR2 that is not as powerful as the system in my O.P but it absolutely flies . . . really!

People telling me in complete ignorance that this affordable bowl of pea soup is rubbish and tasteless when they have not tasted it or evaluated it in person is a complete absurdity and just goes to demonstrate how lacking in knowledge or fact they are, by all means spend your money how you wish but it would be foolish to write off this new wave of technology as underpowered as its not, I’ve used more hardware than most and even though I am not knowledgeable and know very little I am still capable of critical & logical thinking and observation about the things in front of me if I take the time to study and observe them . . .

The AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620 is the processor to beat (as are its derivatives but I can't mention them as the O.P will tell me off! )

Enjoy your system and if you can take anything useful away from this encounter let is be this . . . . don’t let anyone do your critical thinking for you be they so called expert or whatnot, also if you find yourself doing the same thing as everyone else your probably doing something wrong!

I think I made the right choice. Sure, you could say this current setup is too good for me, but would it have made much sense to go for an [Off Topic] which is better at nothing and costs about the same?

Indeed, ther hardware vista has changed since you looked last, change is coming whether we like it or not, I don't mind as I like it!

Live long and prosper my friend until we meet again!

 

[Big.Wayne]

Spam

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Gentlemen,

I would hope to engage with most of you in calm and civil debate however there is an individual present that attempts to thwart my attempts . . . there is no need to *spam* in a good conversation, this thread has been swollen beyond all belief due to this and I ask you to enage me directly if you wish to discuss things *logically* and pay no attention to my learned friend who is not grasping the fundamentals. I ask you this as the O.P and the person who wishes to know the truth about things and I thank you in advance for your co-operation!

 

[Big.Wayne]

Off Topic:

It is impolite to write someone off as spam when you haven't actually read what they've written, as you've got them set to ignore

I would say Jon that politeness is a virtue I do possess and perhaps another does not, I am more interested to converse with people that have an open mind and wish to partake in calm and civil debate based around *logic*

There is no need for someone spam in a thread they do not understand ( a single good post would suffice, whos the O.P exactly?) they should go elsewhere and leave those interested to converse and swap points of view and nuggets of wisdom. I particularly like to speak with you Jon as it's a two way process and there is little or no chance of anything becoming heated . . .

Any debate constructed in the spirit of malice or hate will not work, that is why historically threads similar to these do not reach a *logical* conclusion, It may seem like some that perhaps I myself fall foul of this but that is not the truth . . . the truth is I simply want a better deal for everyone and if given the chance to conduct this discussion with yourself and all the other great minds on this forum I believe we can make a breakthrough!

Please forgive me if I am prone to a spelling mistake here and there but as long as you know what I am meaning let us not digress from the main point!

• INTEL® Core™ i7 920
• AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620
  [*]Price/Performance ratio
  

 

[Big.Wayne]

Off Topic:

Some words for you my friend . . . I extended the olive branch to you in an effort to make peace but you have thrown it back in my face, I cannot conduct what should be a *logical* conversation with the continued hatred you throw at me and those around me . . . I'm sorry but you do not possess the right stuff to help make this thread a success . . .

Reason being...I tell it how its is. Performance truth. Without malice, or favour

I'm sorry if this conversation is beyond your grasp, your contributions are unwanted and I would prefere it if you would stop spamming this debate with your non logic . . . .

I will denounce BS claims

Logical fallacy:Argumentum ad hominem

please address the topic and leave me out of it . . .

Wayne your AMD spin is BS

Logical fallacy:Argumentum ad hominem

A punter can get faster gaming in i3 for the same money

Logical fallacy:Argumentum ad ignorantiam

Please keep on topic and if you wish to demonstrate your burden of proof please make yourself a a new thread to supply your evidence . . .

Prove me wrong and i will go away.

Logical fallacy:Argumentum ad ignorantiam

Except you wrongly attempting to place the Burden of proof upon me when it is you who are making the claims . . . . not to mention your flagrant dispect for my O.P, you have no understanding of netiquette and no respect for my post . . .

Fact is...you cannot

You don't understand how logic works my friend, you make the claims you dish up a mountain of evidence (Burden of proof) in a *new* thread. Kindly leave this thread immediately before you are banned from these forums!

To Everyone Else:
If you feel at any point easyrider is being rude/aggressive or making a personal attack against you then please do not respond to him directly and report the matter to the forum moderators by click this button! . . it is the only way we can continue this discussion in peace and quiet and there is no other choice!

 

[Big.Wayne]

The problem is Big Wayne, that these forums I would say is predominantly full of computer hardware enthusiasts that play games and carry out other cpu intensive tasks

Hello coupe69,

I do not recognise you as an authority to discern the population of these forums or indeed the way they use their computers. I am most amused at your belittling innuendo that some of us don't perform CPU intensive tasks!

I do believe you under-estimate me and perhaps feel I don't merit the "hardware enthusiasts" tag because I do not spend several hundred pounds on my computer? . . . is that right or?

I would advise you in future to speak only on behalf of yourself . . . and yourself only!

this is why you're hitting a bit of a brick wall with the majority of people here

Speak for yourself coupe69, you are an individual correct? or are you somehow part of a borg syndicate

Whilst the AMD Athlon II X4 620 cpu maybe perfectly acceptable in terms of performance for what you want to doit may not be good enough for the hardcore gamer or even just somebody that wants the most frames per second for their money

coupe69, I am wondering how is your mathematics? . . .truth be told mine is pretty terrible but I know enough to get by . . . what you are failing to grasp here is that from the limited data I have presented to you it does indeed seem that a gamer is going to get *maximum* value for money by building a Propus system! . . . I would urge you to re-examine the benchmarks posted and those still out there I haven't posted and re-consider what you think you know . . . none of this is intended to be a personal attack against you although you seem to be taking it very personally . . . .

Being a "hardware enthusiast" does not solely mean spending a large amount of money on hardware that on the whole is superfluous to ones needs, it can also mean one is enthusiastic about hardware . . . any hardware, we should be allowed to enjoy the whole spectrum without certain people being made to feel inadequate if they don’t have the most expensive hardware, it's not right and it's not fair, is it not enough that you have a great computer?

This ePeen culture is getting *ridiculous*, I mean seriously cmon what’s that all about?

Bottom line is you could have that AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620 system under your bonnet right now, overclocked and tweaked up you would be enjoying everything that you do now . . . where is the logic in spending double unless you are a benchmarker/scientist? . . . . it's a killer fast system with great upgrade potential for the *genuine* "hardware enthusiasts" . . . the more people that buy it and recommend it the sooner we start getting a better deal from Intel®

It's a wonderful bit of kit mate and my brain boggles how this can be selling at such a low price . . .you have a problem comprehending this as you have been trained into Price-Points and equate price directly to performance, this is not logical and is the basis of this thread (which you still don't understand!) . . .

especially when you consider for just a few pounds more you can buy the core [XYZ] which will give you better performance in games

Your making a statement which is a logical fallacy, specifically Argumentum ad ignorantiam (This is the fallacy of assuming something is true simply because it hasn't been proven false)

There is nothing logical about what you have just said, you have not supplied the burden of proof? . . . if you wanted to serve your community and make us all adore you you would need to create a new tread based around product [XYZ] and supply the Burden Of Proof (i.e facts + facts + facts)

Anything else is just waffle I'm afraid, waffle that is not helped by your subjective bias on the subject . . . your are either part of the solution or part of the problem and right now coupe69 you are part of the problem!

Getting sort of back on topic, I guess if you wanted a cheap cpu for encoding, then the AMD Athlon II X4 620 will do if you're a little bit skint

Oh dear, what is this? . . . That's an aweful thing to say man? . . . seriously do you think an ePeen is something to be proud off? . . . . to waggle around "Mines bigger than yours!" lol

I think you have missed the point of the overclocking scene entirely and being a "hardware enthusiasts" is in no way related to the amount of money you spend on your kit!

All I am doing mate is letting people know how great the new AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620 and if you build a system around one of these and slap in the extra budget to a real nice GOU you will be laughing . . . . you should be happy things are getting cheaper but for your own good reasons your not showing the Propus a lot of love!

but this is the only situation that I could possibly recommend the AMD chip over an Intel offering.

coupe69, your in no real position to recommend any hardware to anyone, the reason being you are biased (possible Intel®Fanboy?) and not in possesion of many facts, the way you talk and look down at the AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620 is laughable? . . . I mean you didn't use one and have not much idea how they perform yet you profess great authority? . . . out of interest where does this great knowledge of hardware come from? . . . I've never heard of you before this thread but here you are bold as brass telling people what is and what is not good hardware? . . . forgive me for saying but is there any chance your knowledge of hardware is not very much or very little?

coupe69, I would prefer not to have any beef with you but I urge you to not keep detracting from my original topic with your constant talks of other products, you are free to make a new thread and wax lyrical about any hardware you like but in the spirit of netiquette I would ask you kindly to please respect my thread and if you post further please do so *on Topic* and with facts . . .deal?

• AMD® Athlon™ II X4
• Intel® Core™ i7

Show me the performance advantage of the processors above in things that you do please . . . . Anything else is off topic (make a new thread!)


Off Topic:

This all reminds me a little of Billing (remember him?) trying to convince himself that an 8600GT was good enough for gaming

I do remember it well, the guy is a *Legend* and I use some of his phrases to this date . . . . "Oh some nice action going on here" etc etc . . . made me smile a lot watching his videos and I loved the bit where he showed the LGA775 CPU with what looked like a large metallic dung sitting on the top!

I was absolutely appalled by the huge amount of **** taking and hatred that was expressed towards him? . . . poor guy, he was absolutely harmless and just enjoy being a "hardware enthusiast" and "Gamer" and in no way did he deserve to be run off the forums, shame on OcUK forums I say and I would like to see half those people that crucified him have the guts to make a video of themselves and post it up!

 

[Big.Wayne]

Would you be so kind as to quote the section in the forum rules which justifies the above attack on Easy?

No swearing, posting of "adult" material, personal attacks or "trolling"

"We also expect members to behave respectfully and not launch personal or abusive attacks on other members. Those who post for the sole purpose of causing trouble are not welcome here and will be dealt with accordingly."

There really is no need for this Easy is merely trying to explain that for gaming [XYZ] is the way to go

Gentleman both,

I am versed in *logical* debate, I am not versed in broken bottles and spiked clubs . . .

If you will refere to my post here you will see what I am talking about

My learned friend does not deal in what is known as *logic* . . . . this isn't an opinion . . . this is a fact and let my post linked above bare witness to this truth . . .

His mistakes are many and numerous, nearly all of his posts are what's known as a Logical Fallacy which have no place is a debate based on *logic* . . . I'm sorry that you are unable to discern right from wrong, fact from fiction, truth from falsehoods but that does not mean we all have to reduce ourselves to this simple thinking . . . . Here's a breakdown of easyrider’s illogical approach to this debate:


Logical fallacy #1: Argumentum ad hominem
This is the error of attacking the character or motives of a person who has stated an idea, rather than the idea itself. The most obvious example of this fallacy is when one debater maligns the character of another debater

"I will denounce BS claims"

"Wayne your AMD spin is BS"

"wayne falsehoods"

"Stop licking the OP's ass and have your own opinion."

"FFS Wayne you are ruining the boards with this AMD level of psychophancy"

"It makes your BS post harder to quote."

"You sound like a religious nut...but its not god or humanity...its your ego and AMD"

"you sound like Born again Baldwin in the Big Brother House preaching the word of the lord"

"BS from Wayne"

"Run Forest Run "

"In Waynes world yes but in OCUK public forums...."

"Quite frankly a few pimping AMD post's on the internet are not going to change anything"

"However your like a drug pusher of AMD hardware and its not even that good in all honesty"

"You're dangerous!"

"Your post's are overlong and you repeat yourself all the time."

"And you lack self esteem"

"What is your true motive? "

"Big wayne you are full of ****"

"Congrats on giving BS advice on upgrades "

"Wayne Help him out He is nearly as blinkered as you if he wasn't drunk"

"Wayne gives as good has he gets. But when it comes to running out of debate and ideas he calls upon the old chestnut of trashing and baiting."

"This is pure arrogance imo"

"You can't handle the truth"


Solution: attack the argument and not the person, in this one specific thread the only attack possible from easyrider is to demonstrate through as much Empirical evidence as possible that the Intel® Core™ i7 *justifies* it's 100% price premium (or is that 156%) . . . I have nothing to do with the debate apart from asking the questions and helping keep on-topic . . .


Logical fallacy #2: Argumentum ad ignorantiam
This is the error of assuming something is true simply because it hasn't been proven false.
Solution: When making a claim about anything factual one must supply the burden of proof, in this example it is related to the off topic [XYZ] hardware that easyrider (and coupe69) keep banging on about like they know what they are talking about. The burden of proof is *not* three cherry picked screenshots posted off topic, it is a thread unto itself absolutely rammed with as much Empirical evidence as possible collected from across the web and by users of the forum, anything less is waffle/hearsay and does not constitute fact . . .


Logical fallacy #3: Argumentum ad nauseam
This is the error of trying to prove something by saying it again and again. But no matter how many times you repeat something, it will not become any more or less true than it was in the first place. Of course, it is not a fallacy to state the truth again and again; what is fallacious is to expect the repetition alone to substitute for real arguments, see #2Argumentum ad ignorantiam



F.A.O Overclockers.co.uk Public forums

Dear sirs,

I regret to inform you that unless some action is taken against the individual who posts on these forums using the pseudonym of easyrider then I will have no option but to initiate legal proceedings against said individual. He has turned into a cyber stalker and plagues me online with his cyber harassment. I have procured enough evidence dating back a few years to warrant a legal case. As much as everyone seems to think my encounters with said individual is "amusing" I find it quite distressing and there is no just reason this should continue, I have been a member of this community for several years (since 2003) and I have put my heart and soul into these forums in an attempt to build a good and decent community and I feel I am being subjected to unneeded abuse in what is meant to be a logical and technical forum. I would inform you that if the case goes to court there is a maximum sentence of 6 months imprisonment.

Although cyber stalking is a fairly new phenomenon, it's gradually being taken more seriously by the authorities, so there are people out there who can help.

As this Cyber-Crime is taking place on your forums there is implications to the owners of these forums also. In case you are not aware of this scenario I enclose the following links to bear witness to the truths I speak of:

Cyber-stalker faces sentencing today

Cyberstalker to spend six months in jail

Chilling' cyber stalker terrorised girl with Facebook death threats

Cyber stalker jailed

I have secured this individuals address via another member who has traded with him on the OcUK members market and would ask you kindly to take action within the next seven days or I will be forced to initiate legal proceeding. It's completely shocking that I have no option apart to send the man to jail when all I am here for is to learn about technology and serve my community . . .

Signed

Wayne Youngman
London
8th Feb 2010