5 outfield officials at a football game.

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lol, i love the way its described as a way to revolutionise refereeing, revolutionise, really? two guys standing behind the goal who have less chance to opt out of making big decisions, hardly a revolution if you ask me.

Seems ridiculous, its still vunerable to several things that video replay isn't, you have to make the decision based on an instant one time viewing, you can see a whole indicident and STILL call it wrong because you missed a hand behind the other guy, or a shove elsewhere. It is still reliant on the guys seeing the right person commiting a foul, or diving. The beauty of video replay is, even if you have 10 ref's, they could all be looking, at for instance, Gerrard shooting from outside the box, they could all at that one point be looking there while Macherano kicks the living crap out of someone 30 yards away. With video replay, the aftermath of a player kicking someone else is fairly obvious, a manager can ask for footage to be seen, at which point, all 10 referee's could see the entire incident 2 or 3 times and make an informed decision.

The fault in this method of more referee's is, the main things that are lacking, ability to have another look at what happened as you may not of seen everything that did happen, and they still have to be looking at the right place. Also it means hundreds of extra referee's to enforce around the stadium, and most likely lots of extra security staff, and STILL a massive ability for things to slip through. Can you imagine a lone ref, maybe 60 yards from the nearest other official, standing infront of the Kop not being intimidated? its ridiculous.

Most other sports from slow with lots of breaks, to fast fluid games have used video replay successfully and have easily found methods to limit its abuse within a game and to have it make very little impact on the length of a game, but football refuses.
 
if they used cameras on the lines of the goal itll take what, 30 seconds to ask the 4th official to check a monitor to see if it was over the line or not.

i dont see why they can't do it. the 4th official does naff all most of the game anyway.
 
Surely its not hard to say radio tag the centre of the football (without making much difference to its flight and feel) and the goal line so theres no delay in the consultation, rather than needing to review a replay in the first place (I believe thats the main reason why its not been adopted as it would cause delays in a match)

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1 referee, 4 linesman. Easy.

If both Linesman press a buzzer (as so that they can't be influenced by each other) then it's offside, a penalty or a goal. Each linesman gets a quarter of the pitch along with the referee to decide upon standard fouls.
 
NokkonWud said:
1 referee, 4 linesman. Easy.

If both Linesman press a buzzer (as so that they can't be influenced by each other) then it's offside, a penalty or a goal. Each linesman gets a quarter of the pitch along with the referee to decide upon standard fouls.
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if you need both to press, it would be a disaster. 1 linesman gets say 50% of decisions wrong, say the other one does to. In a perfect world it would be the same decisions and the call would be given(right or wrong) in the worst case neither linesman will agree on a single call. Basically that would never work.

The fact is this, and very simple, we have the technology, it can get any decision right, linesmen and referee's will never in a million years be able to get every last decision right. Its really that simple, how long will the arguments and discussions between 3 linesmen and a ref take when a decision is not quite obvious, I'll tell you, same amount of time, if not less than it would take the same 3 looking at a replay to come up with the right answer.

Video replay is just that, everything else, you can misread things, not see the whole picture so any thinking back to what happened can't be accurate, while looking at video from several angles, which will take 30 seconds, is. WHy go half hearted when it would arguably cost more money to implement? 2 new 60k a year wages, plus security, you just couldn't have a linesman who barely moves standing what at many grounds will be arms reach away from the crowd.

Its just beyond a ridiculous idea. yes a decade, or more like 3 decades ago it would be a possible improvement, but now its just a freaking joke. Even league 2 clubs are all recorded from multiple camera's every single game already, a tv for the 4th official and the ref to look at for 30seconds is just going to be so ridiculously easy to set up I can't see how they can justify adding more people who can still clearly get things wrong to the mix at a large cost. Lets see, every week its a minimum of 2 extra linesmen per game, but you need probably an extra backup aswell incase of injury's, then you aren't allowed to officiate the clubs you support etc, so another round of officials as more backup, instead of using existing equipment and existing footage that is already being shot?
 
just use 6 cameras

1 for each side of the pitch in each half + 1 at each goal end.

1 control room, multiple screens where one guy (or more than one) monitors the action - direct link to referee

On contentious situations instantly get camera view from all sides. Camera control room guy tells ref. Sorted :)

but also include that ball tagging thing for crossing the goaline/touchline etc.
 
Use the 6 cameras (goal lines and one for each quarter pitchside) and use the flag like they do in American Football.

Each team gets 2 or 3 'lives' and if you disagree with a decision and the decision is overturned after looking at a monitor then you retain your life. If not, you don't.
 
Oh not this old argument again.

Do you really think people won't find something to argue about, just because we improve decisions? Do rugby fans sit around after matches in complete silence twiddling their thumbs, because their sport has video refereeing?

We'd talk about how the game could just have gone the other way if things had been slightly different. How if the keeper had just dived a bit further for the ball he could have touched it round the post and prevented it. How if the bounce had been a little less favourable for their striker, we'd have dealt with the attack easily. How if our best player hadn't wandered off out of position, we'd have had something to counter with. In short, all the usual stuff we talk about, just without the bad decisions*.

Which we would still argue about anyway, because if fans think they know better than proven succesful managers as it is, you can be damn well sure they'll think they know better than some fourth ref in a video room somewhere.
 
if it in any way prevents the utter theatrics of diving it has to be good.

Dont like matches that are won or lost on fakers or seriously dodgy decisions coz then you start getting paranoid and thinking some of those guys are on the take.....

So when you think the result is pre-determined or depends on X player/official taking a bung.. thats when i lose interest in watching it.
 
Football doesn't need changing ... it's the biggest sport in the world because of what it is.

Controversy has played a big part in football history, take away that controversy and you will lose a big part of football.
 
Gilly said:
Use the 6 cameras (goal lines and one for each quarter pitchside) and use the flag like they do in American Football.

Each team gets 2 or 3 'lives' and if you disagree with a decision and the decision is overturned after looking at a monitor then you retain your life. If not, you don't.
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This has to be tongue in cheek right?

Leave it the way it is, we all love it :)
 
BrenOS said:
This has to be tongue in cheek right?

Leave it the way it is, we all love it :)
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Exactly...football is a worldwide sport played everywhere from brazilian slums to the streets of Africa for the very reason that it's cheap. No need to destroy it by making it overly complicated with technology...

This is also my own personall theory as to why all American sports are crap.....with the possible exception of baseball :p

IIRC there's already a shortage of qualified referees without adding to the burden with extra staff requirements
 
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