£500 Nvidia Intel Tower build.

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I've not been keeping tabs on the latest bits and bobs and what runs well together.

Looking to build a tower only for a friend, gaming purposes with a £500 budget, could go over a little i guess.

1 Hard disk would be fine and he would prefer Nvidia and Intel.

Any help appreciated.

Majik, Jonny.
 
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 460 OC 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £164.49 (£139.99)
Asus P7P55-M P55 Express Chipset (Socket 1156) DDR3 microATX Motherboard £89.99 (£76.59)
Intel Core i3 530 2.93GHz (Clarkdale) (Socket LGA1156) - Retail £79.89 (£67.99)
Corsair XMS3 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMX4GX3M2A1600C9) £76.36 (£64.99)
Samsung SpinPoint F3 500GB SATA-II 16MB Cache - OEM (HD502HJ) £32.99 (£28.08)
Corsair CX 400W ATX Power Supply (CMPSU-400CXUK) £32.99 (£28.08)
Xigmatek Asgard Midi Tower Case - Black £28.99 (£24.67)
OcUK 22x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £12.98 (£11.05)

Total: £518.69

Or if you want to stay under budget get the 768Mb version 460
 
Will a Midi tower provide enough cooling and good enough air flow for a rig like that? I've always gone with large towers to be on the safe side.
 
Anymore suggestions? I'll be ordering and building sometime this week. Also is a 400watt good enough to keep that rig running fine? I usually go for 750watt PSU's but I'm assuming thats overkill?
 
750 only if u wanna run 2 cards :P

for the 460, 400W is plenty
especially if its a decent psu like the corsair
 
Any suggestions?
You have been specced a cheap, non Thermally advantaged chassis?

A Chassis is a component you tend to keep for a long time so get yourself something decent that is "Thermally Advantaged" with plenty of cooling options and a PSU sitting at the Bottom of the chassis where its cool and with a well placed exhaust fan sitting at the top extracting the heat that "rises" . .

Antec 200 Two Hundred

£34.99 inc

OcUK Medusa Case

£36.99 inc

Silverstone PS02B Precision

£39.99 inc

Coolermaster Elite 430

£41.99 inc

Silverstone SST-PS03B Precision

£42.99 inc

Akasa Freedom Xone

£42.99 inc

Antec 600 Six Hundred

£43.99 inc

Antec 300 Three Hundred

£48.99 inc
 
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I've got the Xigmatec Asgard case and it's a great case for the money. Keeps my 4GHz i5 with OCd 5850 perfectly cool with a couple of 120mm fans added to the side (my H50 takes up the rear fan position). PC case airflow is forced with big fans at a much greater velocity than air would move naturally due to convection (i.e. the 'heat rises' effect) so the PSU top or PSU bottom layout makes little to no difference to temps. It's all about good forced airflow.

Still there's certainly a lot to choose from for just a little more money than the Xigmatec as Big.Wayne's post shows - if you can stand the look of some of them :). It's really just a personal taste thing - get what fits the budget and looks good.
 
  • I've not been keeping tabs on the latest bits and bobs and what runs well together
  • Looking to build a tower only for a friend
  • gaming purposes
  • a £500 budget, could go over a little i guess.
  • 1 Hard disk would be fine and he would prefer Nvidia and Intel.
  • Any help appreciated.
Hello Majik,

Here are two spec's in your approx price range, one Intel® as per your request and one AMD® . . . I'm not sure of the reasons why you would prefer Intel® but in the price range you are looking at the AMD® build offers you more power and better value for money £££ . . . . there is also a 500w Modular PSU that offers enough power to feed the great majority of graphic cards and comes with the necessary two PCI-E 6-pin power leads that some cards require . . .

All that is missing from these specs is the GPU which will be addressed in a minute . . .

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Click image for comprehensive results . . .

As can be seen in the AnandTech Bench results the AMD® Phenom™ II X4 offers more processing power than the Intel® Core™ i3 . . . not sure myself why anyone if given the choice between the two systems priced very similarly would go with the slower option?

All that is needed to round off the "gaming" build is a nice GPU . . . currently the nVidia Geforce GTX 460 768MB offers the best Bang-for-Buck

Palit GeForce GTX 460 768MB GDDR5

£117.49 inc

a lot of folks seem to prefer a nice round 1GB when it comes to GPU's and as such the manufacturers like to charge a nice premium for the 1GB version . . . however from the data I have seen I'm not sure why anyone would pay this premium for the small gains offered?

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With all this is mind and going with either of the two AMD®/Intel® specs above and adding the most affordable GPU the final spend comes out as:

  • Intel® Core™ i3 and nVidia® Geforce™ GTX 460 768MB £507.87
  • AMD® Phenom™ II X4 and nVidia® Geforce™ GTX 460 768MB £514.36
 
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I've got the Xigmatec Asgard case and it's a great case for the money
That is your opinion and you are welcome to it . . . my opinion is that if Majik is buying new and can afford just a "tiny" bit extra then the Xigmatek Asgard is best avoided as its an old design which is not "thermally advantaged" and only offers a single 120mm exhaust space at the back (fan not included) and sits the PSU in the hottest part of the chassis (the top) where all the heat rises? . . . the Fan in a PSU is designed to keep the PSU's internal cool and not take in the warm air from the whole case and act as a psuedo exhaust fan?

It's better to have real exhaust fans situated around the hottest part of the computer (i.e CPU/PWM's etc) to remove the heat that "rises" with minimal effort and minimal noise . . .

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PC case airflow is forced with big fans at a much greater velocity than air would move naturally due to convection (i.e. the 'heat rises' effect) so the PSU top or PSU bottom layout makes little to no difference to temps. It's all about good forced airflow
What you are suggesting is to create a noisy wind-tunnel to work-around a bad design . . . not a very "elegant" solution if you "think" about it . . .

Having the PSU at the bottom of the chassis instead of the top is not just about overall system temps but also about keeping the PSU as cool as possible as this will promote the longest component lifespan and help keep the system quieter . . . a hot and stuffy PSU will make more noise as its forced to increase its internal fans RPM in an effort to cool it down . . .

On the the Xigmatek Asgard if you populate the empty rear 120mm fan space and the two empty side panel 120mm fan spaces you will in fact be creating a massive Positive-Pressure airflow with tons more air being pumped into the case than is able to escape . . . again not a very elegant solution for anyone that knows the basics of good airflow . . .


It's very hard to beat a quiet 120mm/140mm fan situated in the roof of a chassis quietly removing the heat that "rises" from the GPU and "rises" from the CPU/PWM Area . . . in fact the roof exhaust design works so well I have found in the many builds I do that the rear fan at the back of the chassis is simply not needed :cool:
 
What you are suggesting is to create a noisy wind-tunnel to work-around a bad design . . . not a very "elegant" solution if you "think" about it . . .

Having the PSU at the bottom of the chassis instead of the top is not just about overall system temps but also about keeping the PSU as cool as possible as this will promote the longest component lifespan and help keep the system quieter . . . a hot and stuffy PSU will make more noise as its forced to increase its internal fans RPM in an effort to cool it down . . .

You've possibly misunderstood my point. The airflow in any PC case is governed by fans - not the slow natural rise of heat through convection (unless we're getting into passive cooling). Heat doesn't rise if you blow it some other direction with fans!

It's hardly 'hot and stuffy' at the top of a case with good airflow. I measured about a 2C difference in PSU temp between having it up in the top of the case and completely out of the case when I was putting this rig together.

There are disadvantages to a bottom PSU layout to consider, too. Depending on the location of the case the PSU may be sucking in dusty air from a cabinet base or the floor, or not much of anything if it's on carpet. Then with the PSU making no contribution to case exhaust you need to replace that somehow. If you avoid this problem by turning the PSU up-side-down, it's back to sucking in air from the case, only with its intake closer to probably the hottest part of the rig - the GPU - many of which unceremoniously dump a lot of their heat out into the case. Depending on the case/mobo/PSU you may also need extension cables to wire it up.

It really is swings and roundabouts, horses for courses. It's not the clear-cut no-brainer you seem to think it is. Both layouts have pros and cons and both layouts can be made to work just as easily with some thought. There really is naff all in it - no significant 'thermal advantage' either way. Certainly not a valid reason to poo-poo a certain case layout and discount certain cases like the Asgard and Cooler Master Elite 335. Bottom PSU is just the current fad. I just think the blowing of your 'thermally advantaged' trumpet is a little ill-founded and misleading is all.

On the the Xigmatek Asgard if you populate the empty rear 120mm fan space and the two empty side panel 120mm fan spaces you will in fact be creating a massive Positive-Pressure airflow with tons more air being pumped into the case than is able to escape . . . again not a very elegant solution for anyone that knows the basics of good airflow . . .

You're right - that would be terrible. That's why my H50 intakes (standard), front fan also intakes, and my PSU and side fans exhaust. It works. In fact the case runs slightly cooler with the be-fanned side fitted than with the case side off altogether! Hardly a 'noisy wind tunnel' with 3 120mm case fans in total (I could arguably get by with just one of the side exhausts) plus the CPU cooler and PSU fan. On occasion I'm required to take a professional interest in cooling and thermodynamics in general - I do have a grasp of the basics thanks :p

It's very hard to beat a quiet 120mm/140mm fan situated in the roof of a chassis quietly removing the heat that "rises" from the GPU and "rises" from the CPU/PWM Area . . . in fact the roof exhaust design works so well I have found in the many builds I do that the rear fan at the back of the chassis is simply not needed :cool:

Again, the old 'heat-rises' adage does not apply if you're blowing the air around with fans at a much greater velocity than it would be naturally rising due to convection, which in a modern PC case you are. You wont get heat transfer upwards if the air in question is replaced sidewards before it's gotten anywhere.

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unless we're getting into passive cooling
Yes . . . lets get into "Passive" cooling shall we? . . . or do you deem no one should have that option?

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Heat doesn't rise if you blow it some other direction with fans!
And why bother blowing it in another direction if it will "rise" and be "pulled" unobstructed straight out the blow-hole/chimney in the top of the case? . . .

Why bother?

the PSU may be sucking in dusty air from a cabinet base or the floor, or not much of anything if it's on carpet.
This assumes the cool PSU sitting in the coolest part of the case actually spins its internal fan beyond a sedate amount of rpms? . . . this assumes we all have dusty floors? or that the case doesn't have a dust filter? . . . This also assumes the case even has a vent in the bottom? . . . for the record the Thermally advantaged cases I use do not have a bottom fan intake hole and all the air comes from one or two "filtered" 120mm intake fans at the front of the case . . . the PSU faces downwards and sits on a shelf about an inche from the solid floor of the case and draws what little air it needs directly from the cool filtered air coming from the front 120mm fan . . .

the PSU making no contribution to case exhaust you need to replace that somehow
Why? . . . the PSU is not meant to be a case exhaust fan? and I personally would prefer it made as little contribution to case exhaustion as possible? . . . I find slight positive pressure works well, two quiet "filtered" 120mm fans pushing in and a top quiet 140mm blow-hole/chimney fan pulling out . . . quiet, simple, effective . . .

Depending on the case/mobo/PSU you may also need extension cables to wire it up.
Heh your really grasping at straws now! :p

There really is naff all in it - no significant 'thermal advantage' either way
There really is, you just haven't discovered it yet therefore you conclude it doesn't exist! . . . . and is probably the reason why you have several 120mm fans and a water cooling system trying to keep the components housed in your old-hat non-thermally advantaged chassis cool! :D

Its very simple if you "Think" about it . . . there is no good reason for a PSU to be sitting at the top of a case?, no good reason at all? . . it gets hotter, it obstructs the heat that wants to rise? . . it has to increase its internal fans rpms to keep its internals cool and will be more stressed in general due to running hotter . . . if you think a hotter running PSU will last longer than a cooler running PSU then you need to think again . . .

So the PSU is better placed at the bottom of the case, (sorry you can't do that with your Xigmatek Asgard) and exhaust fans are more naturally placed in the path that the heat will travel to (sorry you can't do that with your Xigmatek Asgard) . . . ultimately with these concepts in mind and a suitably "modern" chassis design this means one could run a fairly powerful system with just two fans . . . the first quietly sucking air in through a (filtered) intake and the second fan extracting the warm air that "Rises" through the chimney . . .

I just think the blowing of your 'thermally advantaged' trumpet is a little ill-founded and misleading is all.
Well firstly this Thermally-Advantaged concept has nothing to do with me, I'm just aware of it and mention it to other people as being a preferable design over the old-hat design . . . you really have demonstrated no good argument why we should all use a design from 20 years ago when the modern design makes more sense to anyone who can "think"

I would say your defending your purchase more than "thinking" about what is more suitable for new buyers wanting a modern computer . . .

You're right - that would be terrible. That's why my H50 intakes (standard), front fan also intakes, and my PSU and side fans exhaust. It works. In fact the case runs slightly cooler with the be-fanned side fitted than with the case side off altogether! Hardly a 'noisy wind tunnel' with 3 120mm case fans in total
I see, so your drawing in air to your radiator from the rear of the computer? the same place that most graphics cards dump the heat? the same place that most PSU's dump their heat, very clever! :D . . . I don't know why your even using a £50 water-cooling kit? and I don't know why you have two case panel fans pulling the air out that should be moving towards the graphics card and moving towards the CPU socket area? . . . sounds like you really don't understand airflow contention or how to design an elegant cooling set-up?

the old 'heat-rises' adage does not apply if you're blowing the air around with fans at a much greater velocity than it would be naturally rising due to convection, which in a modern PC case you are. You wont get heat transfer upwards if the air in question is replaced sidewards before it's gotten anywhere.
There is no good reason why anyone would want to interfere with nature and create a "greater velocity" of air to move the heat in another direction :confused: . . . its just utter nonsense? . . .

Ideally one should bring air in from what is generally the coolest part of the case environment (the front) and front low is even better, then the air and heat will "rise" past the GPU and past the CPU/PWM straight out the large roof fan, its simple, its elegant, its quiet and it works well? . . .

The trick to simple and effective case cooling is to work out the path of airflow and create as little Obstruction or Contention as possible, once these "Basic" principles are learn you will never buy a non-thermally advantaged chassis again . . . its all very simple if you actually take the time to "think" about it!

You got a lot to learn Liampope . . . keep it up and you will get there eventually! :cool:

Avoid this case or any other non Thermally advantaged case if you can afford a few pound extra!

Xigmatek Asgard

£28.99 inc
 
Big.Wayne you have been very helpful and I can't thank you enough. I will take your safe advice :D
 
Lol Big.Wayne :) - I dont have such bad e-peen issues I need to justify my own purchases on here. The fact that it works and I keep a pretty heavily overclocked rig cool in a compact, inoffensive looking case that cost £28 gives me all the smug satisfaction I need :). I just think you're not being particularly accurate or helpful telling people on a tight budget they must avoid a certain case layout, and with it some very good entry level cases, out of a perceived advantage of another layout which is nowhere near as significant as you think.

Perhaps you should suggest to the guys in the shop, who, like me, obviously can't "think", that they dont know what they're doing specifying a 'thermally disadvantaged' case in this £1000 SLI rig? I think I recognise it ;)

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-156-OE&groupid=43&catid=1444&subcat=

I still dont think you appreciate my point regarding air flow. Likening a PC case to a chiminea sounds great, and almost tree-huggingly efficient and elegant, but it's not a good analogy. A modern gaming PC requires 10's of CFM of mechanically forced airflow to keep it cool - convection and a 'chimney' in the top doesn't cut the mustard. Yes of course you can align this forced airflow with the natural direction of convection (and I never once suggested you shouldn't or that the PSU Top layout was superior to PSU bottom), but you're seriously overestimating the assistance of 'mother nature'. It's pretty negligable to the work the fans are doing, and the fans dont care what way they're blowing.

You can easily test your theories (more of a that sounds right sort of hunch though, isn't it ;) ). First take some idle/load steady state temp readings from CPU, GPU, PSU, case ambient etc etc from one of your 'thermally advantaged' cases. Turn the lot up-side-down, giving plenty of clearance to the top (now bottom) exhaust to be fair, then remeasure temps. If there's a significant difference - one that justifies your opinions of the conventional ATX layout - I'll eat a hat :) Who knows - maybe this Liampope layout will become the next case fad ;) I hereby claim patent rights.

OP - it's up to you. With so many cases at all levels following the current fasion for bottom PSU layout, you almost may as well go for one. But if the budget's tight and every £ matters you can consider the Asgard and Elite 335 and similar decent budget cases. I checked out the Asgard and Antec 300 in the flesh before buying and in no way shape or form, imho, was the 300 worth almost twice as much (unless you subscribe to the dubious idea that the PSU position makes a significant difference :)). Check out some reviews, online discussion/articles on the matter. Or just buy whatever case you think looks prettiest. No skin off my nose. Enjoy the build.

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