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And about 20% faster with additional VRAM. It's easily worth the extra.
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5070 vs 9070XT
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For good reason!
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Plus not giving money to Nvidia...in effect saying thank you for all their failures (low stock, burning connector, black bios screen, missing rops), overpriced gpu's.
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The 5070 is a terrible card at anything over 400 due to last gen 12gb vram.
I distinctly recall pre-launch reviewers talking about AMD needing brutal price cuts to sell vs Nvidia at the same performance.
5 mins later, AMD can't print enough good but not exceptional cards because it's become obvious Nvidia can't be arsed and would rather print chips for AI.
5 mins later, AMD can't print enough good but not exceptional cards because it's become obvious Nvidia can't be arsed and would rather print chips for AI.
5080 > 5070Ti
Oh wait, I thought we were comparing GPUs from completely different tiers.
Half a gen behind on upscaling. It's not 33% faster at raytacing - where performance actually matters. No cuda for non gaming.
Faster RT is irrelevant when you run out of VRAM, FSR4 is not that far behind current DLSS in image quality.
Where is the OP asking for non gaming loads? His use case is gaming.
Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ Review - Beating NVIDIA
AMD's new RDNA 4 GPUs are launching today. The Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ is a fantastic custom design with powerful cooling and whisper-quiet fans. In terms of FPS, the RX 9070 XT offers competitive performance with similarly priced NVIDIA options in both raster and ray tracing.
Regardless, it's only 14% behind the 5070ti in relative RT performance at 1440P, and is 10% faster than the 5070 in RT at 1440P, aka the card the OP is looking at which costs roughly the same as a 9070XT.
You would have to either have very specific use cases or be a hardcore fanboy to buy a 5070 over a 9070 or 9070XT for purely gaming purposes.
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wut? 9070xt vs 5070 the 5070 gets wiped in most games especially once it's vram buffer is maxed and FSR4 while not quite as good as DLSS4 it is very close in many places
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How much RT matters is subjective, but even then it's only in heavy RT loads in a handful of games where the 5070 comes out on top...with framerates still low enough to make it academic.
And as for the FSR4 Vs DLSS4(T) yes, the latter is superior (and honestly very impressive in my own experience of it), but nowhere near to the point that it's worth sacrificing the other benefits of the XT to have.
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I have just bought one of the 5070 OC Zotac cards from OCUK. It was £539. Cheapest 9070XT is currently £110 more.
My point is, with the price difference (530 vs 650) we should not compare the two. It's up against the non XT.
Other people's point in the thread seems to be - 'worth the upsell'. On a 4K monitor, sure - I wouldn't go 12. But on a 2K screen? I don't think its so easy to just say "12 sucks, end of".
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issue is VRAM. On mine I've noticed it's literally on 12GB, if not 13GB. So I think buying a 12GB is a really bad idea, unless perhaps you game at 1080p..but I still wouldn't want to be spending £500 on something where you have to watch texture setting, resolution, or indeed the other options where it eats up even more vram like RT, PT, FG and fsr/dlss.
It's a bad time to buy currently, wait 2-3 months for the launch frenzy to die down and for prices to settle. The 9070XT is replacement for 7800XT remember, so even at MSRP AMD will still be making a big profit which means there's also a lot of room for a price war.
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I have been considering returning and purchasing a 9070 seeing as its VERY unlikely that i will be able to get a 9070XT at MSRP. 
As far as i am aware AIB partners were not making any money on the 9070XT at MSRP and were subsidised via rebates through AMD to meet MSRP to be competitive against nvidia.
As far as i am aware AIB partners were not making any money on the 9070XT at MSRP and were subsidised via rebates through AMD to meet MSRP to be competitive against nvidia.
I have been considering returning and purchasing a 9070 seeing as its VERY unlikely that i will be able to get a 9070XT at MSRP.
As far as i am aware AIB partners were not making any money on the 9070XT at MSRP and were subsidised via rebates through AMD to meet MSRP to be competitive against nvidia.
Why would they not be making any money? most of the components are the same as the previous generation, the only real difference is the chip so if it's considerably more expensive to build compared to 7800XT then it's probably AMD robbing them with chip prices and then pretending to be Mr Nice Guy by giving them a rebate.
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Yeah, you are probably right.. That said i am pretty sure that since the previous gen was manufactured, all component costs have increased significantly as has all other soft costs across the board.
Or they haven't , I bet once the frenzy dies down they'll drop in price throws everything's gone up in price out the window
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Well that didnt really happen on the last generation.. The prices on the products had gone up from the previous gen and they pretty much stayed their till the new generation and they have gone up again. Otherwise we would be at £399 for a top of the range GPU.
