5600X or 10600K?

Iamzod · 19 Jan 2021 at 14:10

I'm looking to upgrade my ageing 3570k, RX580 8GB, 16GB DDR Setup, not really sure what to do as i've been looking at the 5600X which is either unavailable or at rip off prices.

I'll be going with an RTX3070 and 32 GB of RAM to game at 1440p.

Is the 5600X really that much better for the extra £80 - £100? Obviously there is PCIe gen 4 available with the AMD route but again, much difference?

I will be overclocking if that makes any difference using a 280mm Arctic Liquid Freezer 2.

Journey · 19 Jan 2021 at 14:14

10400f, cheap board, cheap RAM. 95% of the performance for less than 50% of the cost.

Iamzod · 19 Jan 2021 at 14:21

Journey said:
10400f, cheap board, cheap RAM. 95% of the performance for less than 50% of the cost.

The F isn't clockable though is it? I want to clock the nuts off it, part of the fun.

Things change I've changed · 19 Jan 2021 at 15:09

Iamzod said:
The F isn't clockable though is it? I want to clock the nuts off it, part of the fun.

Really, overclocking doesn't yield a lot these days with CPU's auto boosting themselves, I always went with overclocking based systems but not anymore, the cost involved for around 5-10% today really isn't worth it, you'll end paying nearly double for negligible performance gain, your better ploughing that money into a better GPU, that will always give you much better results than 5-10% on your CPU/Ram overclock, especially if running @ 1440p and above.

Iamzod · 19 Jan 2021 at 15:30

Things change I've changed said:
Really, overclocking doesn't yield a lot these days with CPU's auto boosting themselves, I always went with overclocking based systems but not anymore, the cost involved for around 5-10% today really isn't worth it, you'll end paying nearly double for negligible performance gain, your better ploughing that money into a better GPU, that will always give you much better results than 5-10% on your CPU/Ram overclock, especially if running @ 1440p and above.

There is only £30 difference in the i5 10600k & non K variants?

Mesai · 19 Jan 2021 at 15:33

Both chips tested here.

Scramz · 19 Jan 2021 at 15:34

Only you can know if the difference in price is worth it for you. I picked up at 5600X the other day for £280. Dropped into a cheap £80 MSI Motar Max B450 board (I updated the bios before hand), works like a charm. No need to overclock the 5600X if youre gaming, it will run top speeds for gaming out of the box. If you are just gaming, 32GB RAM is a waste. Slap 16GB on there and save some cash, unless there is something you plan on using that will use more than 16GB.

clv101 · 19 Jan 2021 at 15:35

Journey said:
10400f, cheap board, cheap RAM. 95% of the performance for less than 50% of the cost.

This. It's easy to spend a lot more on higher end CPUs, fancy motherboards, high spec RAM and oversized PSU etc for very little benefit in gaming.

Mesai · 19 Jan 2021 at 15:43

clv101 said:
This. It's easy to spend a lot more on higher end CPUs, fancy motherboards, high spec RAM and oversized PSU etc for very little benefit in gaming.

Fair, but he'll get better longevity out of the newer platform.

clv101 · 19 Jan 2021 at 15:47

I never find the 'future proofing' argument that convincing. If you need more performance in a few years time, cheaper to buy it then than buy poorer value components today.

Scramz · 19 Jan 2021 at 15:48

Things change I've changed said:
Really, overclocking doesn't yield a lot these days with CPU's auto boosting themselves, I always went with overclocking based systems but not anymore, the cost involved for around 5-10% today really isn't worth it, you'll end paying nearly double for negligible performance gain, your better ploughing that money into a better GPU, that will always give you much better results than 5-10% on your CPU/Ram overclock, especially if running @ 1440p and above.

1+ I have been down this route for years with custom water loops etc, its just not worth it anymore. CPUs are almost at their silicon limit out of the box now days. And with 1440p+ coming more mainstream, throwing money at the GPU is where its at.

Joxeon · 19 Jan 2021 at 15:51

While this vid doesn't have the 10600k it does have the 10900k which the former will match when overclocked, also has comparisons between 5600X 3600 and 10400F at 3 different resolutions with the RX 6800 GPU.

Scramz · 19 Jan 2021 at 15:52

clv101 said:
I never find the 'future proofing' argument that convincing. If you need more performance in a few years time, cheaper to buy it then than buy poorer value components today.

I agree with this. Same as the 'consoles have 8 cores so 8 core CPUs will be needed for PC gaming soon'. We will be hearing this for years to come.

clv101 · 19 Jan 2021 at 15:56

Scramz said:
I agree with this. Same as the 'consoles have 8 cores so 8 core CPUs will be needed for PC gaming soon'. We will be hearing this for years to come.

Indeed, but as the whole PC hobby scene depends on people buying extra bling, and chasing the last few percent these arguments are here to stay.

Mesai · 19 Jan 2021 at 16:03

clv101 said:
I never find the 'future proofing' argument that convincing. If you need more performance in a few years time, cheaper to buy it then than buy poorer value components today.

While I would normally agree, having PCIe Gen4 will help support a lot of upcoming features so if he can afford the £80, it'll buy his rig a couple extra years (considering he games at 1440p and not 1080p).

Scramz · 19 Jan 2021 at 16:09

clv101 said:
Indeed, but as the whole PC hobby scene depends on people buying extra bling, and chasing the last few percent these arguments are here to stay.

Yeah there is the odd few I guess, but its a rubbish argument. I have heard people say the 3700X will become better at gaming than a 5600X with time, what a load of rubbish too lol.

Mesai said:
While I would normally agree, having PCIe Gen4 will help support a lot of upcoming features so if he can afford the £80, it'll buy his rig a couple extra years (considering he games at 1440p and not 1080p).

Out of curiosity, what features would the OP benefit from gen 4? Besides going from 3000gbps NVME to higher, what other real benefits are there? As it doesn't benefit gaming in terms of GPUs going from gen 3 to 4.

Joxeon · 19 Jan 2021 at 16:09

Mesai said:
While I would normally agree, having PCIe Gen4 will help support a lot of upcoming features so if he can afford the £80, it'll buy his rig a couple extra years (considering he games at 1440p and not 1080p).

Which upcoming features for gaming will need PCIe gen 4.0 over 3.0?.

Things change I've changed · 19 Jan 2021 at 16:14

Iamzod said:
There is only £30 difference in the i5 10600k & non K variants?

When you add up all the components it's a lot more, cpu cooler alone can cost a lot if your overclocking, better mobo with overclocking features, ram, cpu etc.

Iamzod · 19 Jan 2021 at 16:21

Things change I've changed said:
When you add up all the components it's a lot more, cpu cooler alone can cost a lot if your overclocking, better mobo with overclocking features, ram, cpu etc.

I already have the AIO though so don't have to factor cooling costs in.

Things change I've changed · 19 Jan 2021 at 16:29

Iamzod said:
I already have the AIO though so don't have to factor cooling costs in.

I think you've already made your mind up tbh, enjoy your overclocking!