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5600x vs 5800x

And what about a game like BF2042 with 128 player maps.

That's going to need a beefy CPU. And I noticed in the video above CPU usage is quite high on the 5600x in BF V.

I suppose another way for me to look at is is this, I was happy enough with my 3700x and a 5600x is faster so what am I complaining about.

(Upgrading because of ram instability and I thought why not upgrade CPU whilst I am taking the CPU cooler off. Please 3700x can go in anther pc.)
 
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opethdisciple said:
What I am getting at here is that the 5600x and the 5800x might be comparable in games until the usage on the 5600x starts getting to 80% + and then you start getting stuttering.
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Yes I understand, but generally CPU usage is lower at 4k (speaking about JC5).

Whether 6 cores will hold up will depend on next year I think, if the jump in CPU and GPU is as big as rumoured then I suppose it may not be that long.

opethdisciple said:
My only consideration is I don't want to be caught out in future titles that need 8 cores to render RT to its max as I do have a 3080 at the end of the day.
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RT is handled by GPU now and the hardware is improving.
 
Considering you upgraded from zen 2 to zen 3 then you should probably just keep the 5600X as you'll be more likely to upgrade to zen4/5 once you see how big the performance increases will be.
 
opethdisciple said:
Will a NHD14 cooler cope with a 5900x?

I still don't know what to do.

Keep the 5600x or send it back.

Issue is a 5900x is over 50% more cores over a 5800x and is currently only 25% more cost.

I should use my brain and not fall in to that trap though. A 5900x over a 5800x in games doesn't offer that much more.
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Keep the 5600X and by the time the 5600X seems it is not enough for a few titles you will be able to grab a used 5900X for cheap or the new version coming out in December with more L3 Cache.

Right now I would say keep the 5600X or just yolo and pick up a 5900X. I got mine for £420 ages ago :D

You could wait for the one that will have the extra L3 cache, but that will likely cost a lot more cash :cry:
 
You can get the 5800x for 345 at mo, so 38% more expensive than the 5600x for 33% more cores
5900x 80% more expensive than the 5600x, as can get for £450, for double core or 100%
On steam, largest segment of gamers are still on 4 cord PC's at just over 40%, 6 core represent 30%, 8 cores represent just over 10%(same as 2 cores), and higher core PC's is negligible.
If you're a game designer are you going to make sure your games work well on 12 cores or more and ***p on lower...not if you actually want to sell games. Rsmsmber new games also take years to develop, and existing games that are refreshed tend to use a lot of the same stuff so you'll know to an extent how well they run.

6 core PC's are growing while 4 core declining...but 6 core pc's will be able to run games for a fair more years to come. Any developer that cuts them out will lose huge chunk of the gaming mkt, and will do for years to come, to the point you'll be upgrading before you need to worry about it, and 8 cores, with such a small percentage of the mkt will see you to whenever. The 5800x is more powerful than the CPU in XSX and ps5...I think as they sell by the millions, that games will be programmed to run fine on them, so will run fine on your build.
With the advent of dlss and fsr efc, that will only add to the longevity of the need to upgrade also
 
TNA said:
Keep the 5600X and by the time the 5600X seems it is not enough for a few titles you will be able to grab a used 5900X for cheap or the new version coming out in December with more L3 Cache.

Right now I would say keep the 5600X or just yolo and pick up a 5900X. I got mine for £420 ages ago :D

You could wait for the one that will have the extra L3 cache, but that will likely cost a lot more cash :cry:
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The way they've shaped the market the choice is 5600x or 5900x.

I can do a 5900x it's just from reviews and benchmarks the performance difference doesn't warrant the cost.

My only concern is seeing up to 80% usage in same games on the 5600x when watching YouTube comparison videos. Has me concerned especially for a game like BF 2042 which will double the player count.

I only upgraded as my ram has not been stable since introducing 3080 so I bought some new plug and play ram. Then I thought by the time I'm gonna take the cpu cooler off maybe I can do a cheap little upgrade.

Then Far Cry 6 specs come out and I see how high cpu requirements are and now I am in this zone where I don't know if I should keep the 5600x go 5800x, grab 5900x or wait for refresh.

Especially in light of BF2042.

The big YouTubers make it seem like a no brainer to get a 5600x instead of anything else. But what they aren't telling you is what CPU % usage where those chips running at. Because that's also very important.
 
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opethdisciple said:
The way they've shaped the market the choice is 5600x or 5900x.

I can do a 5900x it's just from reviews and benchmarks the performance difference doesn't warrant the cost.

My only concern is seeing up to 80% usage in same games on the 5600x when watching YouTube comparison videos. Has me concerned especially for a game like BF 2042 which will double the player count.

I only upgraded as my ram has not been stable since introducing 3080 so I bought some new plug and play ram. Then I thought by the time I'm gonna take the cpu cooler off maybe I can do a cheap little upgrade.

Then Far Cry 6 specs come out and I see how high cpu requirements are and now I am in this zone where I don't know if I should keep the 5600x go 5800x, grab 5900x or wait for refresh.

Especially in light of BF2042.

The big YouTubers make it seem like a no brainer to get a 5600x instead of anything else. But what they aren't telling you is what CPU % usage where those chips running at. Because that's also very important.
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Well, there are not many options here. Keep 5600X, sell it and buy a 5800X, sell it and buy a 5900X or sell it and wait for the new stuff in December which will be even more expensive. In your place I would keep the 5600X and upgrade it later when needed. By then second hand prices of the new CPU's coming out in December will super cheap. Not much too it really.
 
TNA said:
Well, there are not many options here. Keep 5600X, sell it and buy a 5800X, sell it and buy a 5900X or sell it and wait for the new stuff in December which will be even more expensive. In your place I would keep the 5600X and upgrade it later when needed. By then second hand prices of the new CPU's coming out in December will super cheap. Not much too it really.
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:cry:that made me laugh...kept it short and sweet, covered all options. that L3 cache might make a big difference. Haven't the 5600G/5700G had half there cache taken away, so as to fit the gpu on the same silicon, and it's hobbled the performance of the cpu side of things compared to the 5600x and 5800x when they're all paired with a dedicated gpu
 
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:cry:that made me laugh...kept it short and sweet, covered all options. that L3 cache might make a big difference. Haven't the 5600G/5700G had half there cache taken away, so as to fit the gpu on the same silicon, and it's hobbled the performance of the cpu side of things compared to the 5600x and 5800x when they're all paired with a dedicated gpu
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Hehe :)

Yeah, it may indeed. I could sell my 5900X and wait for that, but as a 4K60 gamer this CPU is already overkill for gaming, my issue is not CPU but GPU. Even as someone that only needs 60fps, I cannot see this CPU being the bottleneck for a very long time. CPU mainly comes in handy when you want higher fps.

I actually cannot be asked upgrading anymore, probably getting old, but after a while it starts feeling like a chore. It is like that with mobile phones also, I prefer keeping them 3-5 years and see a nice leap in features and performance.

In the past I used to upgrade my CPU yearly and loved it as those upgrades would make a big difference to the overall system. These days the main thing I like to upgrade is the GPU.
 
I'm thinking now just to keep the 5600x.

The extra £100 isn't worth it for a 5800x.

And a 5900x is 80% more expensive for 100% more cores/threads.

And just as I say that I see videos on YouTube showing 70-80% cpu usage on a 5600x in BFV.

I can see spikes to 70-80% in this video with a 5600x in BFV.

Have a look at min 9:19 onwards.


So yea its definitely sitting around 80% cpu usage.


This has me worried for BF 2042.
 
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opethdisciple said:
I'm thinking now just to keep the 5600x.

The extra £100 isn't worth it for a 5800x.

And a 5900x is 80% more expensive for 100% more cores/threads.

And just as I say that I see videos on YouTube showing 70-80% cpu usage on a 5600x in BFV.

I can see spikes to 70-80% in this video with a 5600x in BFV.

Have a look at min 9:19 onwards.


So yea its definitely sitting around 80% cpu usage.


This has me worried for BF 2042.
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I'd say your doing the right thing however I've just looked at the video's and the spikes up 80% were surprising !

Just seen another games specs and they were worse (Deathloop 10 cores for 4K - https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/deathloop-pc-system-requirements/ ).. it feels like they are marketing higher end hardware but we will see.

Now you're making me worry ! :cry::cry:
 
@Alan McFall Do you have BFV to test?

The other question to answer is what happens when the CPU is at 100%?

Just a CPU bottleneck or will you start to get stutter?

Because if its just a case that the CPU is a bottleneck, if the fps are 150 + etc then its hardly a big issue.

Stutter on the other hand would be a big issue.
 
a 5820K bottlenecks a 3080 in BFV, didnt see any stutter though and was still good for 90fps (RTX off)
 
Keep the 5600x, by the time it struggles, so will a 5800x, just look at past cpus to see this i.e. a 2600 is struggling now but so is a 2700x, likewise with the 3600 and 3700, especially noticeably in likes of cyberpunk. The money you save now, you can put towards the 6600x or whatever it will be called and it too will wipe the floor compared to a 5800x just as a 5600x does compared to 3700x
 
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