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5900x high idle temps

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Hey guys,

This has come as a shock to me, upgraded from a 2600 to a 5900x

2600 - starts up at 30C idles around 40C max
5900x - saw it going all over the place but has now settled at 60C :mad:

Is this expected ? Kinda shocking to me :eek:

FYI running the same system with an aio (120mm single) - is this not enough or do I maybe need to check the thermal paste

Cheers
 
120mm AIO isnt gonna cut it , the 2600 has tdp of 65W and is 6 cores , currently running 360mm AIO on 5900x fans at 890rpm its settled 33-35c in room ambient of 26c
 
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rollox....reading around... looks like you're right :(

Looks like I'm going to have to ditch the idea of running it in ITX .... FFFFFFFFFFSSS and I've not even installed the RTX either

I'm trying this in an Evolv Shift v1 which can only take a single 120mm AIO :head bang:

Thanks for delivering the bad news mate
 
dont have any experience with smaller builds but the 120mm aio stuck out , just will have to do more research on it good luck :)
 
You maybe able to bring down temps by using the curve optimizer to add a negative offset and reducing the PPT TDC and EDC down a bit if you don't have room for a larger cooler.
 
You maybe able to bring down temps by using the curve optimizer to add a negative offset and reducing the PPT TDC and EDC down temps a bit if you don't have room for a larger cooler.

Yeah will try that to see what the temps are like, I did also set the cpu throttle temp to 60C which helped but defeats the purpose of getting this processor
 
Yeah will try that to see what the temps are like, I did also set the cpu throttle temp to 60C which helped but defeats the purpose of getting this processor
I managed to shave 19c off my 5800X with a 35w power decrease by reducing PPT down to 105 + EDC to 100 with curve optimizer to -25 and it actually gave me a better score than stock.

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Didn't realise this was going to need so much tinkering but looks like I've saved it by adding another fan to the AIO for push pull.

PPT, TDC EDC tweaking help a lot too but in all fairness I didn't want a weekend project
 
You could also use a dynamic voltage offset of -0.1v as well. That is how I reigned in the high temps. But then I also did a core by core underclock as well
 
Not yet - I spent all day stripping down the build, cable managing, fan swaps and getting the fan profile right .... happy that I've tamed the beast and am really pleased that I don't need to ditch the itx case.

I haven't tweaked yet but will do over the next few days to get the temps down low - the build is quiet with the fan profile I've set up temperatures range from 45 - 63 load
 
Perhaps you can check it on the internet. Could be useful in reducing the temperatures with some performance reduction.
 
tried using clock tuner? my 5800x stock with PBO with make prime95 stop due to getting stupid hot! Its now at 4.65ghz @ 1.3v and doesn't go over 65 at fully load
 
This has been asked a whole bunch of times and its completely normal. Zen 3 behaves more like a gpu than say Intel 14nm. It seeks to opportunistically boost as high as possible for as long as possible, all the time. It has 4 main limiters that curtail its boost behaviour - power (ppt), peak amperage (edc), sustained amperage (tdc) and temperature. All of these are user definable in BIOS and the cpu has its own hardware level thermal and electrical limits so you can't accidentally make it pull 500W from the socket. It just won't do it.

It treats the distance to each limit as boost headroom, meaning that in idle to light workloads, power draw, amperage and temperature are all very low, meaning the distance to its thermal and electrical limits is very large, meaning it has enormous headroom to boost. This is why in light workloads your temperatures will fluctuate all over the place from 40C to 65C, because it constantly seizes opportunities to spike a single core up to 1.45V and boost to 5ghz.

In PBO2 you can optimise the voltage frequency curve so it hits boost clocks at lower vcore than its designed to but even if you do this, it still opportunistically boosts. You have just created a little more headroom to boost higher or hold its boost clocks for longer.

Stock ppt, edc tdc and temperature for 5900X is 142, 90, 140, 90C.

In massive all core workloads, like a Cinebench R23 multicore run or Prime95, vcore actually goes down to 1.1V to 1.38V and your maximum boost clocks are lower (like 4.6ghz or 4.7ghz). This is because in large all core workloads, it has less thermal and electrical headroom to maintain its boost clock, so it doesn't.

How much hotter does it get in heavy all core workloads? Not much more than at light workloads and no matter what, it won't go above 90C unless you do something really bad like not screw your heatsink down so the package temp rises uncontrollably to its thermal shutdown temperature (100C I think, but I've never tested this).

If temperatures cause your fans to ramp up very fast and this is annoying you, you can lower the thermal limit to (i.e.) 75C in BIOS and now it will never exceed 75C. It just means it has less thermal room to boost.

I do not recommend lowering ppt, edc or tdc from stock, because you will just impose severe electrical limitations on your cpu and it won't perform as well as it does out of box. You don't need to overcomplicate it. Don't bother with a manual OC. Leave it stock and it runs like a champ. If out of box temperatures bother you for some reason, enable PBO2, leave ppt, edc and tdc alone but set a thermal limit you never want the cpu package temp to exceed. Let it boost away. Its like a hungry dog snapping at christmas turkey trimmings. Just let him eat.

If you want to optimise it because you find it fun to deliberately crash your PC for marginally higher synthetic benchmark scores, then play with Curve Optimizer. With all negative offsets, you are essentially undervolting the cpu. But Zen 3 is pretty well optimised out of box so you aren't going to see miraculous gains unless you have exotic cooling and silicon blessed by god himself. The days of insane Sandy Bridge overclocking headroom are long gone.
 
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I just replaced an 360mm radiator AIO, with a Noctua D15

Dropped my temperatures from high 70's when running cinebench to mid 60's!

Also my CPU was boosting to 4.2Ghz after the swap. Previously it was running at 3.9Ghz.

It added nearly 1000 on to my Cinebench R23 multi core score.
 
I just replaced an 360mm radiator AIO, with a Noctua D15

Dropped my temperatures from high 70's when running cinebench to mid 60's!

Also my CPU was boosting to 4.2Ghz after the swap. Previously it was running at 3.9Ghz.

It added nearly 1000 on to my Cinebench R23 multi core score.

That's odd, isn't 4.2 boost quite low ?
What cinebench score are you getting ?

BTW sorry for the tumbleweed in this thread, getting some new RAM tomorrow so will have a play over the weekend
 
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