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Hi all,

My second car, a mk1 mx5 finally rotted to the point I don't think it's sensible to keep chucking money at it. So I started looking at other options.

Ideally needs to be: 4 seat (kids 10-12 in back seats), convertible, big engine (ideally V8) sub 6 to 60 and Gt/sporty handling

Have seen a few 650i which seem to fit the bill around 6-7k.

First question: will I look like a unsuccessful drug dealer driving one of these?

Second question: is it likely to ruin me with things going wrong

Third and final question; is there any alternatives I should be considering?

Thanks

Pete
 
I’ve got a 640d. Was a bit “urgh, diesel” when looking but it goes really well and also economical too. It’s just a lovely big wafter, not. Sports car due to being huge, but cruises really well

The 650’s have lots of issues I think, vague memory of reading up on them.
 
Hi all,

My second car, a mk1 mx5 finally rotted to the point I don't think it's sensible to keep chucking money at it. So I started looking at other options.

Ideally needs to be: 4 seat (kids 10-12 in back seats), convertible, big engine (ideally V8) sub 6 to 60 and Gt/sporty handling

Have seen a few 650i which seem to fit the bill around 6-7k.

First question: will I look like a unsuccessful drug dealer driving one of these?

Second question: is it likely to ruin me with things going wrong

Third and final question; is there any alternatives I should be considering?

Thanks

Pete
The idea of a £6k 650i gives me massive palpitations. it will likely be a moneypit because the previous owner has skimped and frankly possible missed maintenance too. Most owners forget that a £60k car has £60k car upkeep. They'll look at decent tyres at £300 each for rears and go weak at the knees and then get the cheapest they can find.

The old adage Fast, Cheap or Reliable, pick two is very true. Sure there may be exceptions as previous owners, but they'll be rare unless you can find someone that's had it since new or for years.

Potentially you might find something like a 335i with a turbocharged straight six but those engines have their own issues.
 
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As above. Unless you have a large reserve of cash waiting to throw at it I'd avoid an old luxo barge or any old high cost car. The repair bills get very expensive, very quickly
 
A £6k 650i is going to be a massive gamble. I ran one for 5 years ish and it treated me well, but I didn't do that many miles. They WILL throw big bills.

Valve steam seals - it's not if they fail. It's when. They all go bad eventually. If you find a 650i for under £6k that's had them done recently I'll be amazed. All the cheaper ones will be needing them doing. It's a £3k job at an independent or you can hire the tool and do it yourself. It's an arse of a job and will take 24 hours+.
Coolant transfer pipe - Another when item. Requires a complete engine strip to fix but there are stents that can be fitted for around £1k
Suspension - All 650is of this age will be on tired suspension.

If you do fancy the risk, check for the following:

Run the car up to temperature and then let it idle for 2 minutes. Rev it to 3k and watch for smoke. If the seals need doing it will chuck out a huge cloud.
Check for coolant leaks at the front of the engine. A drip is the transfer pipe issue
Check the idle speed. If it's above 600rpm then the VANOS has been disabled, usually by unplugging one of the solenoids. This is to mask a VANOS failure. The car will drive but will be gutless at low RPM and will drink fuel. Also unlikely to pass an emissions test like that.
Check for steering judder under braking. It's nearly always bad lower control arm bushings. Factor on £500 to sort that.
Check the transmission has had its fluid and filter changed at 60k ish. BMW state that the gearbox is "sealed for life" but this is only because BMW define the life of the gearbox as 100k miles. ZF (who make it) recommend a fluid and filter change at 60k. Look at £600 for that job.
Check the transmission shifts smoothly. Any jolts and it's the mechatronics unit that's at fault. £1.5k for that, but I'd walk away as it will have been putting a huge amount of stress on the clutches. It's 4th to 5th where it's most likely to jolt.
Drive it forwards in drive, then stop and put it in reverse. If it takes more than a second to engage reverse then the transmission pump is going bad or the mechatronics is bad. It will fail eventually.
Mis-fires. Can be caused by bad coil packs or bad plugs. The main reason for the plugs going bad is people not changing them. Plugs 4 and 5 are a nightmare to get to as they are right up at the back of the engine bay. Much disassembly is required to get to them.
Listen for whooshing sounds when revving. Usually a vacuum leak which can be around the rocker covers, in the PCVs, on any of the pipes leading to the PCVs, in the intake manifold, etc. etc.

Oh, just noticed you are looking at a convertible, that bring some more issues to watch for.

"Soft top not locked" warning. This is when one or multiple of the sensors in the roof go bad. Can be fixed temporarily by smacking the roof hard with your hand towards the rear, but it will come again and will need the whole roof stripping down to fix. The thing is, it will fail at the most inconvenient time. If it fails while closed, you can't open the boot. If it fails while open, well, you're getting wet. There is a manual override but it takes about 10 minutes to fully open or close the roof using that method.
Drains. The cabriolet has tons of water drains around the roof and boot area. They like to collect leaves and get blocked. When they do that they dump all the water in to the boot area where the battery and all the electrics are.
 
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Platinum Pete? Naaah, Tin Pete!

650i is going to be a stupid gamble for that price. Bills can easily be half the value of the car or more.
 

Excellent info there, thanks for posting

Even whilst hearing all of the horror stories I'm still tempted!!

Currently running a tatty 2005 suburu legacy H6 Rspec b as the family waggon which was purchased at £1500 a few years ago which i spent about 1k putting right. Put 50 k miles on that and simple stuff that has failed, brakes suspension rad wheel bearings etc im happy to do my self as and when it goes wrong. Keen to try some v8 motoring while it's still a thing. Some of the stuff you mention does sound a bit scary but I guess with the right checks during the test drive it could be managed to a degree.
 
If you're gonna play dangerous games, at least do it properly.


They could have at least hoovered it out! Most will look at those photos and click away. And from a dealer too.
 
I owned a 650i for about two years. Loved it, bought it for 5.5k that was before the car prices went mad and I only sold it when I changed jobs. The commute the V8 would have broken the bank. Sold it with 138k miles on and I am sure it would kept going for a long time.

Parts are not cheap, had to replace a bottom hose that had a built in sensor in it, main dealer part only that was about 250-300.

Rear tyres, for something decent what I would recommend considering the power to the rear wheels are about 300 a corner.

Changing the spark plugs, the ones at the rear of the engine are an absolute nightmare to change.

Check the engine bay for signs of coolant leaks, specifically around the valley of the V there is a coolant pipe that is know to leak. Not a cheap fix, there is a stem that is sold making a cheaper repair as it can just be done via the front of the engine. Not sure how reliable this would, always sound like a bandage fix until you could afford to have it done properly.

The valve stem seals are prone to leaking, like a lot of BMW’s causing the blue smoke out of the exhaust. Let the engine warm up, say 2-5 min and then rev it to 3k.

If you want to know anything esle just ask.

Rilot white up is very good and has some great tips on what to look for.
 
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Had a 640d, which is obviously the newer version.

Narrow power band, and drives like a big boat. The huge torque is fun for the first few weeks, but quickly gets boring. Perfect car for long distance travel - think crossing continents. Horrible city car. It’s good at what it does, and as mentioned is absolutely not even close to a sport car.
 
I'm in the same position, have an electric car for my daily grind but like some noise at the weekend.
Currently have a manual Mercedes c230 which has a 2.5l V6 and have been considering changing to a V8 but have struggled to find anything worth the purchase between 6 & 8K.
Will probably end up with another V6 with current used car prices unless I can find an Audi S4/S5 or Jaguar XFR at the higher end of my budget
 
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