600-650 specific gaming pc

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I had made a previous thread and my finance didnt go through when i was ordering, atm i only have about 650 and honestly i think the machine that i was aimming for was too high spec for what i am going to really use it for:

I mainly play the below games (link with recommended specs) on pc and other games i use my xbox:

Wow:
https://us.battle.net/support/en/art...ld-of-warcraft
fm:
http://www.footballmanager.com/manual/?id=6
hon:
http://www.game-debate.com/games/ind...20of Newerth
dota2:
http://dota2talk.com/news/dota-2-system-requirements/

The rest ill use it for videos/music/personal use and etc...

So this is what id like on a £650 if Possible:
Case: Good looking one lol, that can easily handle the below specs
Motherboard: One that will meet the below and allow future upgrades, especially graphics card compatibility and at least 16gb of ram slots
Processor: inter i5 or AMD (if AMD good, recent one for gaming)
Ram: 8gb (although im thinking 4gb might be enough but i doubt there is a huge price difference from 4 to 8?)
Graphics Card: AMD Radeon atleast 2gb and One that is also good for Multi-monitor as i plan to buy a 2nd screen in the future
harddisk: min 500gb
dvd drive
enough power supply
decent cooler, and a silent pc aswell
wireless network card, will not use ethernet
windows 8 (not a requirement but if the money can be put to better use elsewhere than its fine)
keyboard + laser mouse
Monitor: one with at least Resolution: 1280x1024 but prefer 1920 x 1080, built in speakers is a bonus.
 
With your budget you can safely say that an ATI 7850 GPU would be the sensible choice, the windforce has amongst the best cooler and is a 2gb version. 8gb of RAM is cheap and plentiful. considering the GPU, a 450 or a 500W made by Seasonic will be plenty.

Wanting an i5 and everything you listed is ambitious for £600-£650 but it is doable with the help of B grade stuff. You said nothing about overclocking, so i included no cooler and an i5 non k CPU, which is plenty to play the games you listed. If you eventually want to upgrade to a later 1155 socket CPU which is overclockable, the motherboard allows for that. Since you cant overclock the CPU, the stock cooler is fine for now.

YOUR BASKET
1 x Gigabyte ATI Radeon HD 7850 OC Windforce 2X 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card with Tomb Raider & Bioshock PC Games £161.99
1 x **B Grade** Intel Core i5-2500 3.30GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - Retail £125.99
1 x Asus P8Z77-V LX2 Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £82.99
1 x BenQ GL955A 18.5" Widescreen LED Monitor - Black £79.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB SATA 6Gb/s 16MB Cache - OEM (ST500DM002) HDD £41.99
1 x Kingston HyperX Genesis Grey 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (KHX1600C9D3X2K2/8GX) £39.95
1 x XFX Pro 450W Core Edition '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply £39.95
1 x **B Grade** Antec 300 Three Hundred Ultimate Gaming Case - Black £36.98
1 x OcUK 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £18.98
1 x Logitech MK120 Desktop Set (920-002552) £15.98
1 x Tenda W322P+ V2.0 300Mbps Wireless N PCI Adapter £9.98
Total : £671.28 (includes shipping : £13.75).




Normally i wouldn't spec a bulldozer because piledrivers are the same price and perform better, however i saw this in the clearance and it is way more than enough bang for what you listed. I listed the cheapest motherboard who's VRMs wont crumple under the power draw of the CPU. You can find a few posts about some half decent overclocks on similar motherboard CPU combo's.

YOUR BASKET
1 x VTX3D HD 7870 Black Boost Edition 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £189.95
1 x Gigabyte 970A-UD3 AMD 970A (Socket AM3+) DDR3 Motherboard £86.99
1 x **B Grade** AMD Bulldozer FX-8 Eight Core 8120 Black Edition 3.10Ghz (Socket AM3+) Processor - Retail £79.99
1 x BenQ GL955A 18.5" Widescreen LED Monitor - Black £79.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB SATA 6Gb/s 16MB Cache - OEM (ST500DM002) HDD £41.99
1 x Kingston HyperX Genesis Grey 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (KHX1600C9D3X2K2/8GX) £39.95
1 x XFX Pro 450W Core Edition '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply £39.95
1 x **B Grade** Antec 300 Three Hundred Ultimate Gaming Case - Black £36.98
1 x OcUK 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £18.98
1 x Logitech MK120 Desktop Set (920-002552) £15.98
1 x Tenda W322P+ V2.0 300Mbps Wireless N PCI Adapter £9.98
Total : £657.24 (includes shipping : £13.75).



Difference between the builds:

Intel:
Better performing CPU in most aplications and lower threaded games
Slightly lower power draw
Cant overclock CPU (motherboard can overclock K series if you decide to upgrade)
Motherboard can take newer 1155 I5 and I7 chips
Cooler running GPU (though less powerful)

AMD:
Higher power draw
Ready to overclock
Runs hot (stock heatsink is fine but if you overclock it, get a cooler)
Better GPU (when overclocked it performs on the level of a 7950 at stock, which is very impressive)
Motherboard can take newer fx chips

Overall i would say in terms of gaming performance, the AMD pushes ahead by a few frames due to the better GPU but the difference would be unnoticeable in the vast majority of cases. You will only find a difference in performance between the builds in a small handfull of multi threaded games like Crysis 3 and BF3, where the AMD system would perform surprisingly well for the price it is worth.

A lot of people bashed the bulldozer FX chips, i was one of them (though have owned and tested several), but they were not bashed because of their performance but rather mostly due to the disappointment after most peoples expectation were not met. They are still easily powerful enough to suit the needs of the vast majority of people, yourself included. What you saved on the CPU from intel to AMD i put into the GPU, which will affect your gaming performance more whether the game is optimised for intel or amd processors.
 
i like both specs, i dont plan to overclock anything, dunno how to and rather not, only thing i dont like so far is the screen, what does the B grade mean does that mean its 2nd hand? and i can see there is a huge price difference from intel and amd cpus, i think id rather go for amd that is good for the games ive listed above which i personally dont think require high end specs.

any chance to make another set up including windows, amd cpu, some sort of cooling as i dont want to hear any noise, and is there a huge price difference from 8gb ram to 4gb? i suppose ram is something i can add later? i plan on having a total of 16gb in total most likely will end with 12. graphics card is what i am worried, my previous one was XFX 9400GT 1GB DDR2 VGA DVI HDTV Out PCI-E Graphics Card but that was back in 2008, i want a good enough graphics card that will play the games i mentioned above on ultra settings as i dont plan on playing anything else.
 
oops i didnt see the screen resolution, i assumed that the lowest screen rez you can buy these days was 1080p, apparently not!

B grade are fully working goods. They usually have 3 months OCuk warranty and most of the time still carry the manufacturers warranty, so there is little reason not to go b grade when it suits the specs. Both GPUs will play the games above perfectly well at any settings if it is just one screen. Stick to 8gb of ram, 4gb has very little price difference. If all your doing is gaming, you will see NO IMPROVEMENT with 16gb and a drop in performance with 12GB since you would not be using dual channel sticks.

Screens are relatively cheap these days and you can get a 22 inch 1080p LED screen from about £100 if you look around. Something like this:
YOUR BASKET
1 x BenQ GW2250HM 22" Widescreen LED Professional Monitor - Black £107.99
Total : £119.09 (includes shipping : £9.25).




As for changing the build to include windows, the CPUs are b grade and thats the reason why they are cheap for being quite powerful.

The only way to make an OS included in your budget would be to drop down to an i3 build or an A8 or A10 trinity build. You will find a huge performance drop in gaming if you do this, especially considering games like world of warcraft can spike in CPU usage depending on what you are doing in game. So any build i spec which is still in your budget which also includes an OS and an air cooler will not play the games you mentioned at 1080p, on ultra, at a level you would be satisfied with. Since you are not overclocking you can just get any air cooler above £20 which is aimed to be silent, google some reviews and you cant go wrong (i only really do custom water cooling). I personally never noticed the sound of my stock AMD coolers when they were running, but i never cared much for silence, so i cant tell you how quiet.

8 core CPUs only perform better in games which are threaded to use those extra cores. I speced one because it is cheaper to get a b grade 8120 than it is to get a 6 core FX6300 brand new and i wouldn't ever spec a fx4xxx CPU. There are few games threaded for more than 4 cores, but in these games the performance of 8 core FX chips really shine. Battlefield 3 and Crysis 3 are notable examples of this. People argue that because the new consoles will feature 8 core AMD low power chips, the future in gaming is multicore but who knows (though i wouldn't buy on rumours).
 
YOUR BASKET
1 x Gigabyte ATI Radeon HD 7850 OC Windforce 2X 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card with Tomb Raider & Bioshock PC Games £161.99
1 x BenQ GW2250HM 22" Widescreen LED Professional Monitor - Black £107.99
1 x Intel Core i3-3220 3.30GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £92.99
1 x ASRock B75M Intel B75 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Micro ATX Motherboard £52.99
1 x Corsair Builder Series CX 430W V2 '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply (CP-9020046-UK) £40.99
1 x Kingston HyperX Genesis Grey 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (KHX1600C9D3X2K2/8GX) £39.95
1 x Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 6Gb/s 16MB Cache - OEM (WD5000AAKX) HDD £39.95
1 x Xigmatek Asgard Pro Gaming Case - Black £32.99
1 x OcUK 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £18.98
1 x Logitech MK120 Desktop Set (920-002552) £15.98
1 x Tenda W322P+ V2.0 300Mbps Wireless N PCI Adapter £9.98
Total : £614.78 (includes shipping : FREE).



use the windows 3 months trial and your good to go. you could also throw the I5-2500 from b grade and b in budget.
 
which one would perform better for the games i want to play a i3 3220 vs a amd fx 4170 or amd fx-6200? also if i add stuff to the basket individually than rather use a pre-build and edit when i get it delivered would the parts be set up or do i have to do it myself?
 
You would have to do it yourself if you bought the parts, however you can pay the premium for them to do it for you if you give them a call. For the games you want to play, either of the specifications will do nicely as you won't need the most powerful gaming rigs to run them. I think the best bet would be the I3 build as you can upgrade to the 3570k in the future if you need that extra power.
 
pipson said:
which one would perform better for the games i want to play a i3 3220 vs a amd fx 4170 or amd fx-6200? also if i add stuff to the basket individually than rather use a pre-build and edit when i get it delivered would the parts be set up or do i have to do it myself?
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For WoW, i3-3220 > FX-4170 > FX-6200, can't tell you about the other games sorry.
 
Slightly over budget.

YOUR BASKET
1 x HIS HD 7850 IceQ X 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (H785QN2G2M) with Tomb Raider & Bioshock PC Games £155.99
1 x Samsung S23B300BS 23" Widescreen LED Monitor - Glossy Black £119.99
1 x Intel Core i3-3220 3.30GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £92.99
1 x ASRock B75 Pro3-M Intel B75 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Micro ATX Motherboard £55.99
1 x **B Grade** Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (S (HD-257-SE) £45
1 x Corsair Builder Series CX 430W V2 '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply (CP-9020046-UK) £40.99
1 x Kingston HyperX Genesis Grey 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (KHX1600C9D3X2K2/8GX) £39.95
1 x Xigmatek Asgard Pro Gaming Case - Black £32.99
1 x TP-Link 300Mbps Wireless N PCI Express Adapter (TL-WN881ND) £16.99
1 x OcUK 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £16.99
1 x Logitech MK120 Desktop Set (920-002552) £15.98
Total : £650.35 (includes shipping : £13.75).




And use win 8 evaluation for 3 months, should give you enough time to save for an OS.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/jj554510.aspx
 
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