£650 spec for FSX

Purgatory said:
I'm not saying random parts it's well thought out I see what you have done there, but it's fugly :p...

Yes I wouldn't SLI 2 560ti 448 cores to anything apart from a 750W PSU. Reason the 600W PSU is if in the future he wants the fastest single GPU card or adds more hard drives etc he has the power to do it easily. I like the corsair PSUs I have not had one cause a problem for me and people I know that own them.
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Then why say he could add another 560Ti to your build with the 600W PSU?

Purgatory said:
So in the future he could add another card if he needed it for other games or applications that can make use of SLI or CFX.
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honosuseri said:
Then why say he could add another 560Ti to your build with the 600W PSU?
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I didn't say that I said the motherboard also supports:-

"- Supports AMD Quad CrossFireX™ , 3-Way CrossFireX™ and CrossFireX™
- Supports NVIDIA® Quad SLI™ and SLI™"


Here is Guru3D's power supply recommendation on the GeForce 500 series:

GeForce GTX 560 Ti 448 Core - On your average system the card requires you to have a 550 Watt power supply unit.
GeForce GTX 560 Ti 448 Core in 2-way SLI - On your average system the card requires you to have a 750 Watt power supply unit.


http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-560-ti-448-core-review/7


Check the benchmarks compared to a 460 vs the 560ti 448 there too... ;).


The Asus card in this review is about the same as the one I speced above.

Performance Summary for all resolutions.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_560_Ti_448_Cores_DirectCU_II/27.html



At 1680x1050 resolution (what squerble uses) the GTX 460 is 32% slower than the GTX 560 Ti 448 ;) and at any higher resolutions it is even slower than 32%.
 
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Purgatory said:
I didn't say that I said the motherboard also supports:-

"- Supports AMD Quad CrossFireX™ , 3-Way CrossFireX™ and CrossFireX™
- Supports NVIDIA® Quad SLI™ and SLI™"


Here is Guru3D's power supply recommendation on the GeForce 500 series:

GeForce GTX 560 Ti 448 Core - On your average system the card requires you to have a 550 Watt power supply unit.
GeForce GTX 560 Ti 448 Core in 2-way SLI - On your average system the card requires you to have a 750 Watt power supply unit.


http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-560-ti-448-core-review/7


Check the benchmarks compared to a 460 vs the 560ti 448 there too... ;).


The Asus card in this review is about the same as the one I speced above.

Performance Summary for all resolutions.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_560_Ti_448_Cores_DirectCU_II/27.html
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You did!! I quoted you from that same post, you just conveniently cut out your final comment :P

There is a £30 gaming keyboard in my spec when you ommited one. It's deceiving to say yours was better for just £50 more, if you take the keyboard out of mine I had more money to play with. I know the 560ti is more powerful but it's more money and at the end of the day you are over budget!!

We have made our suggestions it's for the OP to decide what suits his needs best :)

P.S The 460 when benchmarked was most likely at stock (675mhz), the editions you can buy today are heavily overclocked to over 850mhz. They won't be as good as the 560Ti but it narrows the gap.

460 vs 560ti
 
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;) I was only talking about the motherboard there mate. Anyway we will let squerble decide..

squerble do let us know who wins .. ;)


Frankenstein's Monster (honosuseri build)
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or Michelle Pfeiffer (Name of my build because it's so sexy)
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Who would you want to take home squerble ? (Don't answer if wife or girlfriend is near computer screen) ;)



Kidding apart honosuseri :p, I agree mine is over budget but I think it would be wise for him to add the extra to it to make it a better balanced system overall for FSX. Keyboards you can pickup cheap anyway as you know. You don't need a flashy gaming keyboard for FSX and general PC use.


BTW the AnandTech GPU Bench 460 vs 560ti ...... 560ti in that bench is not the 448 core edition but only the standard 384 cores :p (nice try ;))
 
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If you say so lol

No he doesn't need an expensive keyboard (i said that in my post alongside the spec). I don't know why you are so obsessed over how they look. You have colour coded the parts fair enough and you like the look of it but it doesn't make it a better machine being red, no more than mine is for being blue lol

The Coolmaster 612S is a better heatsink and the same price as your suggestion .There is this B grade HDD to save a few quid too, even if it's only 500GB rather than 1TB.

I look forward to seeing what the OP settles on, I'm not expecting the OP to buy everything from my spec, it's just a base to work from. I think he'd be better off waiting to see what next weeks offers bring (offers change on the wednesday) as this weeks offers are pretty poor compared with what we had to work with last week ;)
 
honosuseri said:
(offers change on the wednesday) as this weeks offers are pretty poor compared with what we had to work with last week ;)
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Agree :D, but you never know coming Wednesday they raise the prices too or some flood in some country makes components cost 10 times more lool.

Hard drive prices are still silly in my opinion :mad: and need to come down to previous prices, they are taking the micky now there is good stocks everywhere now and the newer 3TB and larger drives are flooding the market.
 
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Prices on HDDs are getting better (kitguru article). SSD drives have come down in price a fair bit over the last couple of months aswell :)

Purgatory said:
BTW the AnandTech GPU Bench 460 vs 560ti ...... 560ti in that bench is not the 448 core edition but only the standard 384 cores :p (nice try ;))
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Nice try? I clearly said 460 vs 560Ti. If i was comparing the "448" I would have said so. The benchmarks are a rough guide, I had to point out that the 460 in benchmarks is usually at stock speed, the 460s here are overclocked as i've already said so would do better, much better.

Your inability to be flexible over the components is an issue for me if im honest, you seem to value style over substance. You are obsessed that your build is better than mine, all i'm doing is pointing out options for the guy to consider. Quite often the best builds are a combination of parts suggested by different forum members.

I have made my reasons for my choices, it was balanced to fit the budget. I've included links and made comments about warranties and pointed to other components to help the OP balance it out himself.

Hopefully we have covered a lot of questions he may have with our numerous posts. If there are any questions or god forbid problems come build day he knows where to find us :D
 
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you seem to value style over substance. You are obsessed that your build is better than mine, all i'm doing is pointing out options for the guy to consider.
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I actually value subtance over style but nothing wrong with it also turning out to look good too, like I said when I put the build up it turned out to also look good luckly too, BTW honosuseri i'm only kidding with you mate, I hope you do realise i'm just joking, it's always good to get many opinions and system builds due to as we all know as system builders not all parts sometimes work well together even if they are the best bits you can get for the money. The bits I picked I also made sure they would work together well and as you have done too :).

honosuseri said:
Hopefully we have covered a lot of questions he may have with our numerous posts. If there are any questions or god forbid problems come build day he knows where to find us :D
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Agree :) , yes if the OP has any problems with the build too I will be here to help him too, I doubt he will with any of the ones mentioned so far they should all work pretty well. :D



Hope others add some more builds for the OP to consider too.
 
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Wow, I didn't expect to cause an argument by asking for a spec :p

The kicker is, I don't quite have the money yet to purchase this, so it could be anywhere up to 3 months before I can buy it (I could be impatient and purchase on finance/credit card, but then I'd be paying over £200 extra over the course of the payments). The idea of the thread was to kick-start the level of spec I should be looking at, as well as getting my head back into the various motherboards and chipsets.


I'm going to stir the pot and say I still really like Purgatory's build, mostly for the look factor - especially the case. The budget could possibly be stretched to £700, it would just be a little extra time 'til I purchase, and a few of the builds have crept up to around £700 anyway.
 
Purgatory said:
BTW honosuseri i'm only kidding with you mate, I hope you do realise i'm just joking, it's always good to get many opinions and system builds due to as we all know as system builders not all parts sometimes work well together even if they are the best bits you can get for the money. The bits I picked I also made sure they would work together well and as you have done too :)
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My sig says it all fella, there are infinite possibilities ;) I don't hate your spec, I really can appreciate that you have taken time to balance it out and keep the rig looking tidy.....nice to see something in red if im honest, blue seems to be "in season" currently.

IC3 used the samsung RAM in his spec. Which is great RAM as it overclocks so well but on this socket running the RAM over 1600mhz makes lil odds really. I know it sounds anal to be so picky over a couple of pounds but these pounds slowly creep up across the build very easily. So I do my best to point out pros and cons for components that I spec aswell as others suggestions.....it's not personal :)

As much as the OP likes the look of your spec he is still hesitant to pay more than £650 it seems.

YOUR BASKET
1 x Gainward GeForce GTX 560Ti "448 Edition" 1280MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £167.99
1 x Intel Core i5-2500K 3.30GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - OEM £161.99
1 x Gigabyte Z77-D3H Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £82.99
1 x OCZ ZS Series 550W '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply £49.99
1 x Zalman Z9 Plus Tower Case with Fan Controller - Black £49.99
1 x Corsair Vengeance Blue Low Profile 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CML8GX3M2A1600C9B) £44.99
1 x **B Grade** Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB SATA 6Gb/s 16MB Cache - OEM (HD-252-SE) £40.00
1 x Gelid Tranquillo CPU Cooler (Socket 754/939/940/AM2/AM2+/AM3/LGA775/LGA1155/LGA1156/LGA1366) £24.12
1 x OcUK 22x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £15.98
1 x Logitech K200 Media Keyboard (920-002733) £10.98
Total : £649.02 (includes shipping : FREE).



Yes i know you think its ugly and I've stupidly used a GPU with red fans alongside blue components.......even though the fans won't be seen lol ;) However that is £650 and he hasn't compromised too much on the components......i even got the keyboard in too :D

squerble said:
Wow, I didn't expect to cause an argument by asking for a spec :p
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It's not an argument fella, it was a discussion. We do agree on quite a few points, I just found some of the posts to be misleading and I wanted to clarify what was what, that's all. 3 months is quite sometime off but it never hurts to get a rough idea of what you need.

On a £700 budget I would have done this perhaps

YOUR BASKET
1 x Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560Ti "448 Edition" WindForce 3X OC 1280MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £179.99
1 x Intel Core i5-2500K 3.30GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - OEM £161.99
1 x Gigabyte Z77-D3H Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £82.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST1000DM003) £65.99
1 x OCZ ZS Series 550W '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply £49.99
1 x Zalman Z9 Plus Tower Case with Fan Controller - Black £49.99
1 x Corsair Vengeance Blue Low Profile 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CML8GX3M2A1600C9B) £44.99
1 x Cooler Master Hyper 612S CPU Cooler (Socket LGA1366/1156/1155/775/AM3/AM2+/AM2) £32.99
1 x OcUK 22x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £15.98
1 x Logitech K200 Media Keyboard (920-002733) £10.98
Total : £695.88 (includes shipping : FREE).



If i had used the B grade 500GB HDD, I think the retail Ivybridge 3570K would be worth considering. How you balance the build though is entirely down to you fella.

Trouble is the offers change weekly (on the wed) so depending what comes up on offer, the specs we suggest can vary somewhat, as there are daily offers to consider too. If you like how purgatory has styled the build, then you might as well grab that case sharpish before it goes back up to £60.

If you want you could do the build incrementally, buying parts over a number of weeks or months. Purely grabbing things you want when they are at the best price, last week the OEM Ivybrige i5 3570K was £160ish and I would have tried to get that into the spec if I could ;)

Start by getting a case and PSU, then grabbing a mobo bundle (CPU,RAM,Mobo) would make the most sense. That's enough for the rig to POST, you just need to add storage and a optical drive to get windows installed and for you to start getting some use from the machine :)

The GPU I would suggest you purchase last, the rig can use the IGP so it functions without a GPU. The nvidia 660 is on the horizon and even if you don't purchase one it could well shake up the prices.

Did you have a gander at the other sims i mentioned?
 
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Good call on the case, I'm going to order these three parts now:

Product Name Qty Price Line Total
OCZ ZS Series 650W '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply £56.99
(£47.49) £56.99
(£47.49)
Thermaltake VK60001W2Z Element S Case - Black £44.99
(£37.49) £44.99
(£37.49)
Gelid Tranquillo CPU Cooler (Socket 754/939/940/AM2/AM2+/AM3/LGA775/LGA1155/LGA1156/LGA1366) £24.12
(£20.10) £24.12
(£20.10)
Sub Total : £105.08
Shipping cost assumes delivery to UK Mainland with:
DPD Next Day Parcel
(This can be changed during checkout) Shipping : £10.25
VAT is being charged at 20.00% VAT : £23.07
Total : £138.40


I would have ordered the Prolimatech cooler (red to match the case) but a few people have chosen the Gelid and it seems to get a good rating. I can order a few more components after pay day later this month!

Edit: I added the Asaka 230mm fan as going from the reviews the case doesn't include the side fan as the part code would suggest.
 
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If that's the case you want then you are getting it at a good price :)

Might be worth leaving out the PSU. You might see a nice modular one come on offer and then you'll kick yourself. If you want that PSU then fair enough, once it's delivered you can bridge the green and black wires in the 24pin connector (paperclip test) and this will allow you to "test fire" the PSU without having a mobo connected to it to determine if it's DOA.
 
honosuseri said:
If that's the case you want then you are getting it at a good price :)

Might be worth leaving out the PSU. You might see a nice modular one come on offer and then you'll kick yourself. If you want that PSU then fair enough, once it's delivered you can bridge the green and black wires in the 24pin connector (paperclip test) and this will allow you to "test fire" the PSU without having a mobo connected to it to determine if it's DOA.
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I was actually supposed to change the PSU for the Modular equivalent; that'll learn me for not checking! I've submitted a ticket against the order so hopefully it will get amended before the order is dispatched. I've also checked the review on the case and it appears this doesn't actually come with the side vent, so there was no need for the additional fan anyway! I've asked for this to be removed on the order too!

I think I'll be triple checking next time! :p :rolleyes:
 
squerble said:
Good call on the case, I'm going to order these three parts now:

Product Name Qty Price Line Total
OCZ ZS Series 650W '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply £56.99
(£47.49) £56.99
(£47.49)
Thermaltake VK60001W2Z Element S Case - Black £44.99
(£37.49) £44.99
(£37.49)
Gelid Tranquillo CPU Cooler (Socket 754/939/940/AM2/AM2+/AM3/LGA775/LGA1155/LGA1156/LGA1366) £24.12
(£20.10) £24.12
(£20.10)
Sub Total : £105.08
Shipping cost assumes delivery to UK Mainland with:
DPD Next Day Parcel
(This can be changed during checkout) Shipping : £10.25
VAT is being charged at 20.00% VAT : £23.07
Total : £138.40
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Bravo Zulu :D Yes good choices. That cooler is pretty good too and I was going to mention that PSU too after seeing it come on offer. Did you ask for free shipping as a forum member ?
 
Purgatory said:
Bravo Zulu :D Yes good choices. That cooler is pretty good too and I was going to mention that PSU too after seeing it come on offer. Did you ask for free shipping as a forum member ?
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Yep free shipping. As mentioned above I missed out on the offer because I changed to the modular equivalent CPU, but that was offset against not buying the 230mm fan.
 
YOUR BASKET
1 x **B Grade** OcUK GeForce GTX 580 1536MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £230.00
1 x Intel Core i5-3570K 3.40GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £189.95
1 x **B Grade** Gigabyte Z77X-D3H Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £80.99
1 x Cooler Master Silent Pro Modular 600W '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply £65.99
1 x Samsung Green (MV-3V4G3D/US) 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz 30nm Dual Channel Kit £59.99
1 x Zalman Z9 Plus Tower Case with Fan Controller - Black £44.99
1 x **B Grade** Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB SATA 6Gb/s 16MB Cache - OEM (HD-252-SE) £40.00
1 x Sony Optiarc AD-7280S 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £19.99
Total : £746.89 (includes shipping : £12.50).



You can swap 3570K for 2500K or Intel Xeon 1230 which I would do, since it offers performance of i7 (2700K+3770K) but doesnt overclock well and does not have IGP

This config should beat any system mentioned above in games by about 40%.

It is also colour-matched by being mostly black :D
 
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So the case, PSU and CPU cooler arrive today....holy ****! They're HUGE! :eek: I didn't think they were this big!

The only problem is now, I have these parts and I have the money to order the rest, so I'll be so so tempted now!
 
How does this look for components for around £600?


Product Name Qty Price Line Total
Gainward GeForce GTX 570 Goes Like Hell 1280MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card with StreetFighter 4 PC Game £219.95
(£183.29) £219.95
(£183.29)
Intel Core i5-2500K 3.30GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - Retail £169.99
(£141.66) £169.99
(£141.66)
Gigabyte Z77-D3H Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £82.99
(£69.16) £82.99
(£69.16)
Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST1000DM003) £69.98
(£58.32) £69.98
(£58.32)
TeamGroup Elite 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (TED38192M1600HC11DC) £39.95
(£33.29) £39.95
(£33.29)
LG GH24NS90 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £18.98
(£15.82) £18.98
(£15.82)
OcUK USB Keyboard - Black £3.98
(£3.32) £3.98
(£3.32)
Sub Total : £504.86
Shipping cost assumes delivery to UK Mainland with:
DPD Next Day Parcel
(This can be changed during checkout) Shipping : £10.00
VAT is being charged at 20.00% VAT : £102.97
Total : £617.83




Edit: Could save £50 if I went for a 560Ti 448 too. Unless the step up to the 570 is really worth it.
 
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YOUR BASKET
1 x MSI HD 7850 Twin Frozr III OC 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Cards £194.99
1 x Intel Core i5-3570K 3.40GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £179.99
1 x Asrock Z77 Extreme4 M Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £97.99
1 x Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB SATA-II 32MB Cache - OEM (HD103SJ / ST1000DM005) £65.99
1 x Adata XPG Gaming v1.0 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (AX3U1600GC4G9-2G) £38.99
1 x Samsung SH-S222BB/BEBE 22x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £16.99
Total : £594.94 (includes shipping : FREE).



Might aswell stick with the mobo purgatory suggested, a blue mobo in that case will look awful....funny that my Z9 suggestion has now come on offer.

Use the ivybridge CPU, i've added a 7850 as it overclocks well and uses less power than the 570 whilst also being cheaper

7850 vs 570

EDIT scrap the AMD GPU, i just remembered this is for FSX ;)
 
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Ha I only read the first line and thought, where's my nVidia :p

Is Ivybridge worth it? I understand it's going to run hotter, especially when OC'ing.
Is the 570 worth it over the 560Ti 448?
 
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