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660 or 7950?

I really do have to interject here.

First of all, people saying the 7950 is better than the 670, I don’t agree with.

The benchmarks show the 7970 and the 670 trading blows (with latest drivers) with some games for the 670 some for the 7970 non ghz edition) (Example 670 is faster than 7970 in Far Cry 3)

Review sites are currently comparing the 660 to the 7950.

Raw fps doesn’t tell the full story. At the moment there are lots of reviews showing the 660 to be a smoother ride than the 7950. (Loads of examples of this on the net)

So this blatant regurgitation of "latest drivers make ATI faster than Nvidia counterparts" needs to stop.

I equate it to a snowball effect. The more something goes round, the bigger it gets, untill it becomes true, becuase everyone says it.

It is just perpetuating blind misinformation or at least not considering the full story.
 
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Its not just perfomance its price aswell.

Why pay £300+ when you can pay £200+ for roughly the same?

Farcry is brand new and is full of bugs, hopefully they will be ironed out soon.
 
+1 on price, i own a 670, great card but very expensive. And theres no way id personally buy a stock reference cooled 670. Too loud and they throttle down when they hit 70c. The 7950 represents exceptionally good vfm at present.
 
Nvidia had its stuttering issues too a few months ago and then they fixed it. Lets forget that one.

The same will happen with AMD. TBH,whereas some games have been known to be have issues with the HD7950 with regards to smoothness,if it were the case with all games,then the whole of OcUK and all forums worldwide would be full of people saying the HD7950 cards are always stuttering and every review mentioning it.

Moreover,it would not surprise me if it is the boost mechanism which is the issue here.

The problem with too many reviews is they measurebate to show as big a difference as possible,almost Daily Fail style,ie,bad news is good news. Its like all the moronic CPU tests for iTunes where reviews rip CDs to RAM discs and SSDs first and then encode,where as the rest of the world just uses a disc drive to do so(which means the limiting step is not the CPU in most cases).

The issue is then the fanbois of each side will jump to say x brand is worse than y and make it all look chicken little,the sky is falling and overblow everything.

TR themselves whinged about AMD allowing them to release benchmarks about Trinity early:

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/new...control-good-for-intel2c-and-not-for-amd.aspx

That was repeated by many sites,as AMD trying to shape reviews,etc.

Yet,they apparently forgotten they actually did a staged review for Intel with Intel controlling all the hardware. Hypocrites.

Its all about making as big a noise as possible to get more page hits.

Then the rest of the world ends up using consoles,which have crap framerates and latencies,and all the PC crowd get worked up because one card is 12.56667% worse than another one in one section of a game,which might not even be representative of 99.9% of the rest of the game.

Then all we get is more console ports anyway,as more people get fed up with the PC and move to consoles.
 
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I hate consoles, but i hate how PC gaming ruins my butt.

Still loading times on consoles are a NIGHTMARE, i swear you waste like 10% of your life on loading screens gaming on them!
 
Get the 7950 its faster, (A lot faster) you would even be better of with a 7870 vs the 660 as that's also faster.

Don't be fooled by Nvidia fueled reviewers talking junk about smoothness to keep the prices high.

It depends on games and drivers, and that changes constantly, (not that you would even notice it its such a microscopic thing) some of those reviewers are even contradicting their earlier reviews.

No Nvidia card is any smoother than any AMD and no AMD is smoother than any Nvidia.

The AMD cards do offer better bang for your money and will for as long as people blindly buy in to the constant crap about 'Nvidia is better' nonsense.

All your doing is paying more money for less performance to pay for the cost of the privilege to be spoon fed Nvidia nonsense advertising.
 
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davidansell said:
go with Nvidia, can always upgrade to 2x 670 when you require too :)
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Don't you think he would just be burning his money?

He is asking about GTX 660TI or 7950, they are both the same price, the 7950 is faster but there would be nothing wrong with him going GTX 660TI if that is what he prefers.

The GTX 670 is even more overpriced and the 7950 is very much better in xFire at multi-screen res, if he is not planing on multi-screen there is no point in getting 2 top end GPU's.

The GTX 670 is the same performance as the 7950 on its own, but much more expensive, two 7950's are better than two GTX 670's in terms of high res performance and a lot cheaper.

There is nothing wrong with personal preferences for the sake of personal preferences.
Blatantly advising a much more expensive GPU that is the same or less performance (depending on intended use) for the sake of making an Nvidia sale at the expense of some one else's money (and the performance they are getting for it) is very wrong.
Accurate unbiased information (without conjecture) so persons can make (proper informed depositions) with their money is all that is relevant.

Earlier this year Nvidia had the bang for £, things, however, have changed, AMD have upped the stakes in many ways, so Until Nvidia bring their prices down AMD are the ones for prices vs performance.
A lot of blatancy personal preferential and flawed conjectural so called reviews have no place when peoples hard earned cash is involved.
 
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opethdisciple said:
I really do have to interject here.

First of all, people saying the 7950 is better than the 670, I don’t agree with.

The benchmarks show the 7970 and the 670 trading blows (with latest drivers) with some games for the 670 some for the 7970 non ghz edition) (Example 670 is faster than 7970 in Far Cry 3)

Review sites are currently comparing the 660 to the 7950.

Raw fps doesn’t tell the full story. At the moment there are lots of reviews showing the 660 to be a smoother ride than the 7950. (Loads of examples of this on the net)

So this blatant regurgitation of "latest drivers make ATI faster than Nvidia counterparts" needs to stop.

I equate it to a snowball effect. The more something goes round, the bigger it gets, untill it becomes true, becuase everyone says it.

It is just perpetuating blind misinformation or at least not considering the full story.
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The 670/7950 are round about even actually but the 7950 is marginally faster when both are clocked up.

The review sites compare 660Ti and 7950 because they're the same price and roughly the same performance at stock. Doesn't mean it's a useful comparison though in fact the opposite.

Talking in performance terms

7970 = 680
7950 = 670
7870 = 660 Ti
7860 = 660

All these cards are pretty much even except for when AA is applied the nVidia 192 bit bus cards take a larger performance hit compared to the 256 bit bus AMD cards.

AMD should release 7950s at reference at 950 MHz. I've had 4 and none if them have had problems all the way up to 1150 MHz.

humbug said:
No Nvidia card is any smoother than any AMD and no AMD is smoother than any Nvidia.
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I agree for single cards. Any measuring of lag here is splitting hairs almost as the mass majority of people won't notice ANY difference.

However for multi GPU I believe that nVidia are marginally smoother. Not massively by any means but noticeably so. This has been reported by a fair few people who've used both all over the web. There is a degree of Chinese whispers going on as well but the underlying point is true

@OP:

+1 7950.

660Ti is a rip off for the money. Any kind of AA causes a significant performance hit which isn't acceptable for a £240 card.
 
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yashiro said:
Give this a read.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/12/does-the-radeon-hd-7950-graphics-card-stumble-in-windows-8/
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Its the same review as the the TR article. So basically reposted twice under two websites,to get more page hits.Meh.

Rusty0611 said:
I agree for single cards. Any measuring of lag here is splitting hairs almost as the mass majority of people won't notice ANY difference.
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I agree. I do think one or two games,might have instances of stutter we know,ie,I believe Skyrim for example,however,the generalisation that it is for all games with an HD7950 is hilarious.

You see if it were one game which did 200FPS(190 minimum) with card A and 220FPS(210 minimum) at card B at 2560X1600 at 8X MSAA,no one but an utter dork would really care.

However,with latency measurements,most people would not really know which is a significant number to be worried about. This is the issue,especially since TR actually tries to show a difference by changing the thresholds on purposes and they don't bother even showing all the data and even then their tests use different resolutions.

So now you got people jumping on that one review to say the HD7950 is now not smoother in all games than a GTX660TI. It seems,anyone or any site which does not report massive smoothness issues,is not doing it right.

The problem,is websites like TR,never really bothered to look at the stuttering issues Nvidia had,and also gave Intel a pass for them doing controlled reviews,and then whinged at AMD about it. I have also found that TR fanboism exists,ie, people actually love the site and cannot stand criticism of it.

I just saw this:

http://techreport.com/review/21982/today-mid-range-gpus-in-battlefield-3/4

Even,by the admission of TR,different scenes can swing things massively regarding latency.
 
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7950, absolutely no brainer, 660 is gimped out due to memory bus, as above, add IQ and it falls over, the only reason to buy one would be for PhysX or if you have a current Nvidia 3D setup, not to mention a 7870 oc'ed is pretty equal to it.

opethdisciple said:
So this blatant regurgitation of "latest drivers make ATI faster than Nvidia counterparts" needs to stop.

I equate it to a snowball effect. The more something goes round, the bigger it gets, untill it becomes true, becuase everyone says it.

It is just perpetuating blind misinformation or at least not considering the full story.
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Does it need to stop because your using Nvidia?

The 7950=670(when both are flat out) if not faster when you add IQ or up the resolution.

You have got to be blind not to acknowledge the 79's now have a slight edge on performance never mind having to pay the equivalent to AMD's higher performing 7970(in regards to a 670).:(

Nvidia pricing is a joke just now, they are relying on brand awareness to punt their gpu's, the uninformed just need to go to review sites that are firmly in Nvidia's bed to get the wool pulled over their eyes.

[H] done a comparison recently and despite the 7970 running higher IQ, they said the 680 was 'smoother'-on lesser settings, go figure.

Performance has gone in favour to AMD, so now a cherry picked title appears that runs smoother on Nvidia when you slow the frame rates down, why did they just pick one title to show, when other titles will favour AMD on frametimes?

Some titles do run slightly better on each vendors hardware, it's not a one sided blanket affair.

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Nvidia had its stuttering issues too a few months ago and then they fixed it. Lets forget that one.
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It's back according to some users here.:(
 
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