7 Series Nvidia Card Help

[Marine-RX179]

A 560TI does PhysX faster than a 290X

Sometimes people want more then just pure grunt.
A 780 offers PhysX, low power draw, low noise, low heat, a more complete driver set with far more options, better support on their forums etc

A 290 offers pure grunt.

Some people want pure grunt
Some people are willing to pay extra for a more complete package

Is that really so hard to understand?
I don't understand how this is confusing you...

PhysX is a "optional" "feature" that provide extra "optional" graphic effect. Its a "feature" and should therefore not be lumped together with performance (do I need to remind you PhysX is not something that built into every single game, which not a core existence?)

Seriously, some people will say anything for the sake of winning an argument. How about focus more of your effort is properly addressing the point than with these foolish attempts to make people look stupid?

GTX560Ti offered equal performance to 6950 on same/lower price on 1GB vs 1GB and 2GB vs 2GB models, and GTX570 offered faster performance than the 6970 at a lower price (sure it had less vram, but it was definitely the faster card). There is however no such cards from Nvidia for current and previous gen...taking the example of GTX560Ti vs 6950, the GTX780 should really be at the same price as the 290Pro. Granted GTX780 currently having custom cooler while the 290Pro doesn't not, if they price it only £20-£30 above it it still reasonable, but at the moment there's still a price premium of £60-£80 on average. Some might argue the 3 games that the GTX780 offer would worth more, but it's only worth around £35 in total now, which is not really much more than the BF4 and Silver ticket that the 290Pro (worth around £30in total) offer.

 

[bru]

If there's really "no truth in it at all" as you put it, then would you care to list the cards which Nvidia has that's equal or faster in performance to AMD's counterparts that are NOT more expensive?

I wasn't gong to bother answering this but seeing as No 1 dave has pointed out one Nvidia designed thing the Nvidia cards do faster than AMD I thought would just add one thing that is outside of Nvidia control.

blender.org

so to answer your question "would you care to list the cards which Nvidia has that's equal or faster in performance to AMD's counterparts" it would be one of these

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=701&catid=1914

Minus the k20 as it is more expensive than the Firepro W9000

 

[Marine-RX179]

I wasn't gong to bother answering this but seeing as No 1 dave has pointed out one Nvidia designed thing the Nvidia cards do faster than AMD I thought would just add one thing that is outside of Nvidia control.

blender.org

so to answer your question "would you care to list the cards which Nvidia has that's equal or faster in performance to AMD's counterparts" it would be one of these

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=701&catid=1914

Minus the k20 as it is more expensive than the Firepro W9000

Except even at the lower end, AMD is offering faster card for less money? Even the 7750 is faster than the GT650 at cost less.


Now...I am not defending EdgeDs on his posting nature in general (I have no idea how biased, fanboy, or whatever he is since I've not seen other of his posts), but I do find it hard to disagree with the comment he made in "this thread". Fact remains that there's no "GTX560Ti" or "GTX570" equivalent in terms of equal/better bang for bucks against AMD's offering in Nvidia current and last gen. They got cards offering equal/better gaming performance, but it cost more.

Mind you that I actually recommended the OP to go GTX780 with the consideration that he might not be comfortable with having to replace the cooler himself...but he himself asked about the 290 cards, so I just say it to him as it is with evidences to show him the temp and clearly explained about the noise level rather than over-exaggerated by usual people who don't even own the card. I recommended that GTX780 to the OP is based on it being a "more appropriate option", rather than being a "better bang for bucks" option.

 

[psychas]

i have 770 4 gig , payed 280 £ - 30 £ games, works out at 250 £ great price per performance overclocked pretty good plays everything i trow at it , also very quiet and cool and power consumption pretty low .

edit: as for 780 and above cards you have to pay quite big premium for not so much performance gain .

 

[bru]

Except even at the lower end, AMD is offering faster card for less money? Even the 7750 is faster than the GT650 at cost less.

Ok seeing as you wont say that such a broad and sweeping statement is just wrong, I give you the AMD R7 260X

YOUR BASKET
1 x HIS Radeon R7 260X iPower IceQ X2 Turbo 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £119.99
Total : £119.99 (includes shipping : FREE).



This is AMD's currant mid to low end card and at just £120 it seems to be quite good value.

Now enter the Nvidia 650Ti

YOUR BASKET
1 x KFA2 GeForce GTX 650Ti EX OC 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £99.95
Total : £99.95 (includes shipping : FREE).




Now unless I'm mistaken the 650Ti is cheaper than the AMD R7 260X, hmm I wonder if it is faster in anything.

Oh look even a faster in a game, at two out of three resolutions.





Now will you admit that the comment that AMD is faster and cheaper in everything is just plain wrong and should be frowned upon as misinformation on this forum.

 

[Marine-RX179]

Ok seeing as you wont say that such a broad and sweeping statement is just wrong, I give you the AMD R7 260X

YOUR BASKET
1 x his radeon r7 260x ipower iceq x2 turbo 2048mb gddr5 pci-express graphics card £119.99
total : £119.99 (includes shipping : free).



this is amd's currant mid to low end card and at just £120 it seems to be quite good value.

now enter the nvidia 650ti

your basket
1 x kfa2 geforce gtx 650ti ex oc 1024mb gddr5 pci-express graphics card £99.95
total : £99.95 (includes shipping : free).




now unless i'm mistaken the 650ti is cheaper than the amd r7 260x, hmm i wonder if it is faster in anything.

oh look even a faster in a game, at two out of three resolutions. :d





now will you admit that the comment that amd is faster and cheaper in everything is just plain wrong and should be frowned upon as misinformation on this forum.

sign...seriously, what did i say about argue for arguing's sake...there's nothing productive coming out of this...you have to scrap the bottom of the barrel and cherry pick now?

are you forgetting about the 7790?
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/sapphire/hd_7790_dual-x/26.html
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-083-HS&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1699

Seriously...the harder you try to prove your point, the more you are proving EdgeDs's remark to be true. As I've said, the last time I saw Nvidia managed to match/beat AMD on bang for bucks was way back with the GTX560Ti/GTX570. There's nothing current that Nvidia has on offer match those critique. Nvidia got good product line-up nobody is arguing that is not the case, but trying to saying it beat AMD on "bang for bucks"...that becomes difficult, if not impossible. As far as I'm aware, for these two gens Nvidia has always be the case of "same/more bangs for more bucks", rather than "more bang for bucks".

 

[bru]

oh dear.....

from the very same review you just linked too

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/HD_7790_Dual-X/7.html

That would be the 650Ti beating the card you just picked at every resolution they tested at.


Bottom line is, yes AMD have an good product line up and most of them are at good prices but they are not faster than Nvidia at everything.

 

[Gregster]

The bottom line is though Marine, Bru is correct.

 

[Marine-RX179]

oh dear.....

from the very same review you just linked too

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/HD_7790_Dual-X/7.html

That would be the 650Ti beating the card you just picked at every resolution they tested at.


Bottom line is, yes AMD have an good product line up and most of them are at good prices but they are not faster than Nvidia at everything.

Unless my eyes problem reading or my English is plain suck, how does "Nvidia wont offer you anything (graphic card) that AMD (graphic card) wont do faster for less money" equal to "AMD is faster than Nvidia at everything"? From that context my interpretation is the "overall performance of the card", which is clearly shown by the Performance Summary on techpowerup...I don't understand how that turned into "AMD is beating Nvidia at everything situation"...

The bottom line is though Marine, Bru is correct.

He's correct in "what he's saying" (about AMD get beaten at specific situations), but that's not what EdgeDs said now is it? He's clearly talking about the overall performance.

 

[bru]

He's correct in "what he's saying" (about AMD get beaten at specific situations), but that's not what EdgeDs said now is it? He's clearly talking about the overall performance.

So you agree that Nvidia can beat AMD in some situations but you still stand by....

Nvidia wont offer you anything that Amd wont do faster for less money

So surely that would be Nvidia offering something that AMD cannot beat for cheaper in those situations.


Anyway we are obviously both as bad as each other at this arguing for the sake of arguing malarkey, so lets just drop it now.

 

[Marine-RX179]

So you agree that Nvidia can beat AMD in some situations but you still stand by....

Did you even bother to read what I said? I can't help but to think you just want twisting EdgeDs's remark into something else for your convenience. I mean if you guys got something against him that's one thing, but no matter how many time I read his remark, I simply cannot see how you guys can force a claim onto him which he did not make...

 

[krnsniper]

Forget the GTX 780 go for the R290 much better

 

[CyberCrow]

Lot of fanboi love going on here lol.

Im getting a new gpu at the end of the month, one thing is for sure.

It wunna be an 280/290/290x card there's enough threads on them with way to many problems for my liking.