720p or 1080i

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A friend wanted to know what is better: 720p or 1080i. I told him 720p, did i make the right decision? cause it's bugging me now.
EDIT: He games on a PS3
 
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A friend wanted to know what is better: 720p or 1080i. I told him 720p, did i make the right decision? cause it's bugging me now.
EDIT: He games on a PS3


Tried both on the 360 on my 42" plazzy, couldn't see any difference, so I stuck with 720P.
 
720 is related to the number of lines on the screen (the resolution).
i or p is related to the refresh mechanism; interlaced (every other line) or progressive.

720i is the lower resolution and refreshes 360 lines per cycle
720p is the lower resolution and refreshes 720 lines pre cycle

1080i is the higher resolution and refreshes 540 lines per cycle
1080p is the higher resolution and refreshes 1080 lines per cycle

As most LCDs don't refresh in the same way that old TVs (CRTs) do, ie there is no raster scan, the difference between i and p is less obvious on LCDs.

Some monitors will accept 1080 signals but will convert them to 720, so be aware of the difference between 'accepts' or 'compatible with' 1080 as opposed to 'actually is' 1080.

I'd therefore go for: 1080p > 1080i > 720p > 720i; however, note the following about the PS3:

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746282p1.html

PS3 Downscales 720p on Incapable TVs
If your TV doesn't support a specific resolution, expect to go low-res.
by Jeremy Dunham

US, November 15, 2006 - As final PlayStation 3 units continue to trickle into more and more hands, additional details about how the system works and what it can and can't do are hitting the web. The latest (rather major) tidbit is how the console treats the upscaling and downscaling of 720p titles on televisions that don't support that resolution -- specifically those that are only 1080i capable.

As it turns out, gamers who own older HD sets that feature only 480i, 480p, and 1080i resolution input capabilities will have to settle for the display quality being downsized as the game boots in its 480p mode rather than upscaling the image from its more desirable 720p mode to the TV's 1080i. We tested this development on older HDTV sets with games designed for 720p but not 1080i -- Resistance: Fall of Man, NHL 2K7, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07, and Need for Speed Carbon. Sure enough, the system downshifted all four titles to 480p rather than moving up to 1080i. This issue came up with either a digital HD video connection (using an HDMI cord) and an analog HD video connection (using component cables.)

The PlayStation 3's competitor, Microsoft's Xbox 360, does upscale 720p games to 1080i if the HD set supports the latter resolution but not the in-between and commonly-employed 720p resolution.

IGN contacted Sony representatives for comment regarding this feature, but SCEA spokespeople have yet to return our phone calls as we went to press (we'll update this story when they do). It is not known yet if this is purely a software issue or a deeper technical problem and whether or not this lack of upscaling might be resolved on launch PS3 systems in future updates of the hardware via downloadable firmware patches.

For the laymen, 720p is a high-definition format that offers a complete 720-pixel line frame on the screen at 24 to 60 frames per second (progressive), while the 1080i signal is presented as two 540-pixel fields that when displayed back to back look like a complete image (interlaced). The difference being that a 720p picture offers quicker refresh rates while 1080i offers more detail with stationary imagery. The maximum resolution of the PlayStation 3 (and currently the maximum for available HDTV sets) is 1080p. It is thus capable of displaying all major standard-definition and high-definition video outputs wherever HD standards are employed (in PS3 games and Blu-Ray Movies, most commonly), but as has already been reported about PS1/PS2 games and DVD playback, it does not currently upscale any lower resolution images to higher image standards.
 
All LCD's all are Progressive by nature.

The output is always Progressive as the input is changed to Progressive, the 720p and 1080i and 1080p parts are the inputs of the feed you give it.
 
All LCD's all are Progressive by nature.

The output is always Progressive as the input is changed to Progressive, the 720p and 1080i and 1080p parts are the inputs of the feed you give it.

Remember though, that de-interlacing (converting interlaced->progressive) will never be perfect and as such you will still get some artifacts from the process.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinterlacing for details on the various methods used.

Interlacing really becomes apparent when you have high movement, so gaming may not be the best medium to use with an interlaced input source.
 
Obv if the feed is I and it ends up P as it MUST do on a LCD you get loss.

So a P feed is what you ideally want.

I just don't think many peeps understand all the HD-TV info is linked to purely inputs that the TV can decode.
 
I just don't think many peeps understand all the HD-TV info is linked to purely inputs that the TV can decode.

Agreed, the whole idustry is guilty of making the whole HD thing a lot more complex than it needs to be. The cynic in me says it's to confuse people into buying one thing, and then forcing obsolecense by saying "no, you really wanted this for full HD!".

For instance, there's no point in getting a 1080p set less than 50" across unless you are going to be sitting insanely close to it - our eyes just cannot pick up the detail.

There's a brilliant graph that details the optimium viewing distances, even with a 50" 1080p set you'd need to be 6 foot away max to get the full benefit.
 
It depends how good your display device is at de-interlacing.

There is no "better".

People who don't know much but have heard a lot of hearsay nearly always say 720p for some reason.

The truth is that those blurring artifacts you get with interlaced sources are only there because your display has a crappy de-interlacer. If it has a top notch one 1080i can look better than 720p.

With lots of movement 720p can look better technically - that is to say if you had a 50 foot screen you would see that 720p looks better during fast movement\panning, but since the limiting factor way before that is the de-interlacer in the display device...

You will only know when you try both on your display device.
 
I tried 1080i when using ps1 games on my ps3 (they wont run in 1080p for some extremely homosexual reason). The res just looks wierd, alternate lines flickering almost.


720p>>>>>>>1080i

That was probably the PS1 bit rather than the 1080i bit.....
 
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