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780 vs 980

Rroff said:
^^ As I keep mentioning a lot of those benchmarks are using the original 780 and/or not actually re-running all the older cards (even when they say they do - its fairly obvious they don't when you use some of the cards day to day) - a rev B card even without overclocking would not be sitting at 108% on the 1440p results.

I've a 970 albeit on a slightly slower CPU sitting beside a rev B 780 (albeit GHz edition) at the moment and there is pretty much nothing in it in framerate at 1440p if I leave them both running at their out the box frequencies - while those results put them at 108% v 128% (conveniently the GHz edition is rated I believe at +19% over the original cards out the box).
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They have to rerun all cards as they have changed some of there gaming suite over the years. The newer gtx780 might run a bit more boost but lets be honest it will claw back a few percent. Why is the 290 and 290x not suffering the same fate or the 280x.

I put it down to the new games coming into the bench suites. In older games nothing much will have changed performance wise but in newer games kepler seems to be lagging through support most likely. This is not always the case but i do think it's why the gtx780 is dropping off so much.

A small example.

Crysis 3 the gtx780 is just about where you would expect it running with the 290 and gtx970

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/R9_380X_Strix/11.html

The Witcher 3 and now the gtx780 can only match a 380x

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/R9_380X_Strix/18.html

They state that all video cards were run on the same system and configuration. They are using an i7 6700k which is pretty new so the results are just about up to date.

Was having a small laugh at the same time noting that the games where the gtx780 does it's worst is in Gameworks titles. Is that Nvidia trying to tell you guys to get the wallet out lol.
 
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Well I find the 780 is 970 performance and the 980 was 10-15% more than a 970 due to having nearly 1/3 again the cuda cores. No its not worth an upgrade but it is still an upgrade.
 
TheRealDeal said:
They have to rerun all cards as they have changed some of there gaming suite over the years. The newer gtx780 might run a bit more boost but lets be honest it will claw back a few percent. Why is the 290 and 290x not suffering the same fate or the 280x.

I put it down to the new games coming into the bench suites. In older games nothing much will have changed performance wise but in newer games kepler seems to be lagging through support most likely. This is not always the case but i do think it's why the gtx780 is dropping off so much.

A small example.

Crysis 3 the gtx780 is just about where you would expect it running with the 290 and gtx970

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/R9_380X_Strix/11.html

The Witcher 3 and now the gtx780 can only match a 380x

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/R9_380X_Strix/18.html

They state that all video cards were run on the same system and configuration. They are using an i7 6700k which is pretty new so the results are just about up to date.

Was having a small laugh at the same time noting that the games where the gtx780 does it's worst is in Gameworks titles. Is that Nvidia trying to tell you guys to get the wallet out lol.
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Until fairly recently the 290/280 were AMDs top cards so would be benched in comparisons more recently while the 780 fell down the order quite quickly.
 
Rroff said:
Until fairly recently the 290/280 were AMDs top cards so would be benched in comparisons more recently while the 780 fell down the order quite quickly.
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The article states that all cards were run on the same configuration which is a 6700k system. Wizzard only changed to his 6700 somewhere around September/October which means the gtx780 would have been run pretty recently. So his results are pretty much up to date.

If he ran all the Nvidia cards it was on 358.50 WHQL.
 
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I simply don't buy that some of the older cards have been retested (not necesarilt aimed at TPU) - in some cases I'm pretty sure they just re-run say the 780ti and adjust sone of the other Kepler card with expected deltas. Can't speak for The Witcher but benched my 780 against someones 290X recently and whole the 290 certainly has aged better simply not seeing the big gaps some sites show.

There are some cases where the newer shader architecture with Maxwell is more efficient and all else equal 10-15% faster thsn Kepler and due to the nature of the bottleneck no amount of overclocking will catch up.
 
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Crysis 3 on my 780 runs around 50fps average so i do not believe tech power ups charts as in my case it is wrong by 9fps.

I have not felt the need to upgrade yet either as tempting as the 980 TI is i just dont need it, Fallout 4 would have been the decider if that ran poorly, but i have no problem running ultra settings.
 
MooMoo444 said:
complete hogwash, 980's clock extremely well and offer great gains over a 780. Sure, they're no 980Ti's but they're a good bit cheaper too.
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You really think a GTX980 is a worthy upgrade from a GTX780? Sorry but I cannot agree with that. It's a sidegrade at best. A 780 is around 970 performance and the 980 isn't that much more powerful than a 970. The only real upgrade is a 980ti.



sieze2 said:
a 780 ti is 25% faster than 780. They are a cheap upgrade as well.
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Depends on the card. Maybe if you had a basic 780 with stock clocks but mine and the op's are around 780ti performance out of the box. Looking at reviews comparing the 780ti to a 980 there is a gain of 10 fps or less in most gains.
 
Stock for stock easy a 980. Overclocking both still a 980. At 1440p definitely the 980. Is it worth the price difference who can say. If your happy with your 780 stick with it.
 
Only real upgrade is 980ti so just don't bother unless you have an itch and really want the card for low power heat ect otherwise stretch to a 980ti. This is why 970 sli isn't viable option
 
Aye, If i was using 1440p or above i would probably get a 980ti.

It would definitely not be a 980 though, but im not so who cares :)
 
Ian Evey said:
Aye, If i was using 1440p or above i would probably get a 980ti.

It would definitely not be a 980 though, but im not so who cares :)
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With G-Sync I'm really not feeling the need to upgrade my 780 at 1440p yet - without G-Sync it would be a different matter - believe me I'd be off it like a shot if it wasn't performing heh.

4K is another matter though :S
 
My experience with my gtx 780
i got sick from playing Witcher 3 on medium settings at 1080p
fps was all over the place
Got a 390x and playing on ultra 1080p it had some screen tearing in novigrad
But overall a lot better
my gtx 780 was at 1140Mhz
 
since everyones on the subject of 780s didnt overclockers release recently a 780 reference and 770 reference card pretty cheap as i wouldnt mind 2 780s clocked over a 980
 
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