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7900 GRE > 7900XT @ 1080??

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Buddy is in the middle of building as a new system after his went pop and gave out the magic smoke or doom...

his new CPU is a 7800X3d right now he games at 1080 165Hz but may/will move to 1440 in a few months.
is the extra £200 of the 7900XT worth it over the 7900 GRE?

he looked at a XTX but with the surprise out lay he just cant do £1000 on top.
is there any other options to look at in this price bracket? 4070s and good?
 
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I think if I had up to £700 to spend on a gfx card for an existing 1080p monitor...

I'd spend £200-250 on a 2K monitor and £450-500 on the gfx card. Rather than wait a few months, as you say.
 
Wing-Man said:
And for 450 to 500 you would get?
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The majority on this forum (and elsewhere) consistently put Raw Rasterisation (which means no raytracing/upscaling), Raw Performance instead of Power Efficiency, and not using any Upscaling ever. Oh, and having more memory than is currently needed for 'future-proofing'.

So that means the aforementioned 7900 GRE. You kinda have to be a sheep when making recommendations to mates, whether you agree with the prevailing opinion or not.

I'm the exact opposite and value DLS (thats a 15% win for me over AMD), power efficiency and raytracing. I also like more memory than Nvidia offer buuut... I think the £300 4060 and £540 4070 are decent-enough value based on my own priorities. The 4060ti is an avoid if your mate is only interested in gaming. I view the 4060ti 16gb as a good AI and 3D content creation card only.

On the memory front, I think things plateau over console generations. Due to the Playstation 5 Pro rumoured to not have any more memory, I think 12GB will be fine until the Playstation 6 releases, then instantly fall off a cliff. Whether that's 3.8 years or 4.8 years from now... *shrug*.
Just like happened with 6GB cards last console gen. So if your mate wants a Nvidia 4070/super memory wouldn't be an issue for me.
 
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So that means the aforementioned 7900 GRE. You kinda have to be a sheep when making recommendations to mates, whether you agree with the prevailing opinion or not.
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Don't be a sheep be a RAM .

Put your point across and stick with what you believe unless the facts differ, upscaling and dlss is a factor but on the flip side AMD tend to offer better value.

All points are valid but to say you have to be a sheep is like saying an Nvidia fan boy, look at the facts and features offered.

It's not that difficult even for SHEEP ;)
 
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Trickle said:
I'm the exact opposite and value DLS (thats a 15% win for me over AMD), power efficiency and raytracing. I also like more memory than Nvidia offer buuut... I think the £300 4060 and £540 4070 are decent-enough value based on my own priorities.
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Agree completely. As a recent purchaser of a 4070 Super FE, I have to say I've been pretty blown away by it's features and performance - DLSS, DLAA, Reflex, power efficiency, low noise, build quality, and even RT when adjusted appropriately for the card. No regrets whatsoever - and I'm saying that as someone who's owned my fair share of both Nvidia and ATI/AMD cards over many, many years.
 
Richard from Digital Foundry recommended the 7900gre over the 4070 and said the latter needed a price cut. Digital Foundry are into RT, DLSS, etc but even in their test suite the 7900gre did well in most of the games tested.

People have to remember when you are buying a card now, for most normal gamers they will keep their cards for years. Many here don't care about vram because they upgrade every year or two so don't care.

Many on here pushed premium 8gb cards such as the rtx3070 or rtx3070ti well into 2022 and said 8gb would be fine for years. That didn't pan out.

The rtx4060 is a not a good recommendation at £300. As an owner of a faster RTX3060TI, 8gb cards are starting to have issues. I wouldn't touch ANY 8gb card over £250.

When you can get an rx6750xt 12gb or even RX6800 16gb cards sometimes for similar money or a bit more it's not worth it.

But also we are probably going to see RDNA4 cards towards the end of the year and maybe Nvidia Blackwell soon after.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Richard from Digital Foundry recommended the 7900gre over the 4070 and said the latter needed a price cut. Digital Foundry are into RT, DLSS, etc but even in their test suite the 7900gre did well in most of the games tested.

People have to remember when you are buying a card now, for most normal gamers they will keep their cards for years. Many here don't care about vram because they upgrade every year or two so don't care.

Many on here pushed premium 8gb cards such as the rtx3070 or rtx3070ti well into 2022 and said 8gb would be fine for years. That didn't pan out.

The rtx4060 is a not a good recommendation at £300. As an owner of a faster RTX3060TI, 8gb cards are starting to have issues. I wouldn't touch ANY 8gb card over £250.

When you can get an rx6750xt 12gb or even RX6800 16gb cards sometimes for similar money or a bit more it's not worth it.

But also we are probably going to see RDNA4 cards towards the end of the year and maybe Nvidia Blackwell soon after.
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Yeah, it all depends on how you look at it. As you know I would prefer the features over the vram as I would only upgrade again next gen anyway.

I sometimes end up with many changes even in the same gen as you can see below :cry:

TNA said:
RIVA TNT
GeForce4 MX440
Radeon 9700 Pro
GeForce 7900 GT
GeForce 8800 GTS
Radeon 4870
Radeon 5770
Radeon 5850
Radeon 6970
Radeon 7870
Radeon 7950
GeForce 670
Radeon 7970
Radeon 290
Radeon 295x2
GeForce 1070
GeForce 1080
Radeon R9 Nano
Radeon RX Vega Liquid
GeForce 1050
GeForce 980Ti
Nvidia Titan XP
Radeon RX 580
GeForce 970
Radeon RX Vega 56
Radeon RX Vega 64
GeForce 3080
GeForce 3070
GeForce 3080 Ti
GeForce 4070 Ti
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Otherwise if you are the type that sticks to native and TAA only and keeps cards for ages then yeah the GRE is a no brainier I suppose.
 
TNA said:
Yeah, it all depends on how you look at it. As you know I would prefer the features over the vram as I would only upgrade again next gen anyway.

I sometimes end up with many changes even in the same gen as you can see below :cry:



Otherwise if you are the type that sticks to native and TAA only and keeps cards for ages then yeah the GRE is a no brainier I suppose.
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Well the DF guys tend to prefer those too but they recommended the 7900gre over the 4070 and that is with their raytracing tests factored in too. Richard said the 4070 needed a price cut and once AMD unlocks the overclocking limits, the RAM overclocking is going to help.The 7900gre is artificially gimped WRT to RAM speeds because it has higher rated RAM modules, but run at lower speeds.

At this point the 4070 because it will be slower in most scenarios will require upscaling more often. With the latest PS5 Pro leak now confirming machine learning enhanced upscaling , it means we might be getting an update for FSR too.

At £500ish, the 4070 and 7800xt are not worth it. They both need to be £450 now at a maximum. The 7900gee and 4070 super cost not much more than either so they need price cuts.

But when it comes to the 4060, no amount of features will save that card at £300. I have a 3060TI myself and any of them are worth maximum £250 or less. If the rtx4060 is the same price as the rx7600,it's the rtx4060 all day long unless it's a game very biased towards the latter like COD. The rx7600 is a card with few redeeming features.But when the RX6600 is frequently below £200 you might as well get that.

The 7600xt is also overpriced. If AMD had used higher speed RAM modules and priced it at £280 it might have had a place.
But you can get the RX6750XT for below £300 delivered - the RX6800 16GB has been as low as £360 recently.
 
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I’ve got to be honest I’ve had a 4070 for a little while and I did say to him at first get one then we watched a few online videos and review and the 7900 is about 15% in front in the games he plays
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Well the DF guys tend to prefer those too but they recommended the 7900gre over the 4070 and that is with their raytracing tests factored in too. Richard said the 4070 needed a price cut and once AMD unlocks the overclocking limits, the RAM overclocking is going to help.The 7900gre is artificially gimped WRT to RAM speeds because it has higher rated RAM modules, but run at lower speeds.

At this point the 4070 because it will be slower in most scenarios will require upscaling more often. With the latest PS5 Pro leak now confirming machine learning enhanced upscaling , it means we might be getting an update for FSR too.

At £500ish, the 4070 and 7800xt are not worth it. They both need to be £450 now at a maximum. The 7900gee and 4070 super cost not much more than either so they need price cuts.

But when it comes to the 4060, no amount of features will save that card at £300. I have an 8gb card myself and any of them are worth maximum £250 or less. If the rtx4060 is the same price as the rx7600,it's the rtx4060 all day long unless it's a game very biased towards the latter like COD. The rx7600 is a card with few redeeming features.But when the RX6600 is frequently below £200 you might as well get that.

Plus at this time you can get the RX6750XT for below £300 delivered - the RX6800 16GB has been as low as £360 recently.
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I’d argue at this point unless you already have a 7800xt or 4070 to avoid buying them and even avoid the GRE as in 7 months you will have a new gen release. 8800xt for £500 giving close to XTX performance.

In the meantime get a tide me over card like a £100 5600xt or 2060 and play older games for 7 months.
 
GhostDog1981 said:
I’d argue at this point unless you already have a 7800xt or 4070 to avoid buying them and even avoid the GRE as in 7 months you will have a new gen release. 8800xt for £500 giving close to XTX performance.

In the meantime get a tide me over card like a £100 5600xt or 2060 and play older games for 7 months.
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I also mentioned that it the post prior to that :
"But also we are probably going to see RDNA4 cards towards the end of the year and maybe Nvidia Blackwell soon after."

We are getting noise about Blackwell too next week. It's why I decided to wait until then to get a new card. Just think we are getting the range we should have got at launch at a minimum now, but it's too late IMHO. Just hope the new mining boom does not get in the way.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I also mentioned that it the post prior to that :
"But also we are probably going to see RDNA4 cards towards the end of the year and maybe Nvidia Blackwell soon after."

We are getting noise about Blackwell too next week. It's why I decided to wait until then to get a new card. Just think we are getting the range we should have got at launch at a minimum now, but it's too late IMHO. Just hope the new mining boom does not get in the way.
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Yeah. You might as well wait for next gen now. Almost certainly you will get something better for your cash then and it will be nice and fresh shiny tech.
 
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