8 pack upgrade question

clayer · 22 Mar 2013 at 12:05

hi thinking of upgrading my current ram will this benefit my sytem or shall i stick with what i got.

was thinking of 16gb of the below.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-013-TG&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=2429

stuie · 22 Mar 2013 at 13:06

Whats your current ram?

clayer · 22 Mar 2013 at 16:49

16gb g/skill z77 sabretooth currently 4.8 24/7 oc

Minstadave · 22 Mar 2013 at 16:55

What do you want to see a performance jump in games or benchmarks?

8 Pack · 22 Mar 2013 at 17:04

That RAM is excellent stuff yeah.

16Gb 4 Sticks running tight at 2400mhz on Z77 needs good IMC but is possible. I personally would give those sticks a go yes as they will tune well.

clayer · 22 Mar 2013 at 17:05

in games, although i run them at ultra anyway with gtx690 oc so will i see any benefit with new ram.

8 Pack · 22 Mar 2013 at 17:07

Just for games minimal.

Minstadave · 22 Mar 2013 at 18:35

clayer said:
in games, although i run them at ultra anyway with gtx690 oc so will i see any benefit with new ram.

No point at all dude, save your pennies.

8 Pack · 22 Mar 2013 at 21:45

There is a point though!!! Tuning RAM teaches you more about your system than any other component. You do get a more efficient system too.

wam7 · 23 Mar 2013 at 18:27

8 Pack said:
There is a point though!!! Tuning RAM teaches you more about your system than any other component. You do get a more efficient system too.

What exactly do you mean by 'efficient'?

8 Pack · 24 Mar 2013 at 09:54

The CPU etc gets more done per mhz. Its more efficient!!!!!

Minstadave · 24 Mar 2013 at 10:37

It's not really more efficient if you don't get any performance gain in the things you use it for. That's like saying your system is more efficient if you overclock your soundcard, if you could bench it you'd get better numbers but you wouldn't see the difference otherwise.

Mind you I'd probably overclock my soundcard if I could.

8 Pack · 24 Mar 2013 at 10:47

Glade you know better than me Minstadave!!!!

You do get a performance gain from everything you do the system is more efficient at the same clock speed than with no RAM tuning.

RAM tuning also teachers users a lot about their system and trouble shooting problems.

Minstadave · 24 Mar 2013 at 10:56

8 Pack said:
Glade you know better than me Minstadave!!!!

You do get a performance gain from everything you do the system is more efficient at the same clock speed than with no RAM tuning.

RAM tuning also teachers users a lot about their system and trouble shooting problems.

If you don't get a performance gain that is appreciable then it's not a performance gain.

I don't disagree with your second point.

stuie · 24 Mar 2013 at 22:29

A performance gain is a performance gain, people still buy 100+mph super cars even though they sit it traffic all day, doesnt mean it isnt worth it, The question really is what vlue you pt on the improvement, I know i could get a few fps or extra points if i was to ditch my dominators for some greens but its not worth it personally to me id rather put it towards a water loop, some people would say money no object no cost is too much for that extra bit of performance. Its the game we all play

8 Pack · 25 Mar 2013 at 00:57

Minstadave said:
If you don't get a performance gain that is appreciable then it's not a performance gain.

I don't disagree with your second point.

You still get a performance gain in everything from RAM tuning the sweet spot being around 2133mhz.

wam7 · 2 Apr 2013 at 02:46

So how much faster will my system be for say encoding x264 using memory at 1600Mhz 9-9-9-24 opposed to 2133Mhz 9-9-9-24?

Efficient is a vague term when it come to computing, when you can just say it will be faster by 2% (or whatever is). That is clear and quantifiable

8 Pack · 2 Apr 2013 at 10:28

It depends entirely on task for what improvment you will get.

2133mhz was loads faster on Cinebench and Super Pi 32mb when I tested. But I am a bencher if I can have any more speed at all. I will!!!!!!!!!!!

wam7 · 5 Apr 2013 at 01:39

8 Pack said:
2133mhz was loads faster on Cinebench...

I find the term 'loads faster' once again quite vague. Do you have some empirical evidence as it would be interesting to see exactly what numbers you are getting?

wam7 · 9 Apr 2013 at 00:14

Nothing? I was expecting more '!!!!!!'.

Though the amount of exclamation marks one puts at the end of sentence doesn't add any more validity to a statement. What's really needed is evidence, not specious statements like "2133mhz was loads faster on Cinebench..."

As the graph shows, there is hardly any difference even between 1333 and 2133 never mind 1600 and 2133. So if when you use the expression 'loads faster in Cinebench' you mean ~1.5% then that would make sense.

You're original premise could be true but when you build that on statements that ostensibly are not correct then you loose credibility. Having a position of respect and influence doesn't preclude you from backing up your statements when evidence to the contrary is supplied.