8700k/8086k vs 2700x

[aoaaron]

Which would you for out of these 2 CPUs if they were the same price?

 

[aoaaron]

Can someone explain why? From benches the 8600k seems to kill the 2700x. How about 8700k vs 2700x?

 

[aoaaron]

I've editted the title now... as I put 8600k... i've switched to the 8700k.

I can get a 8700k bundle for £720-750 and a 8086k bundle for £750ish.. (mobo/ram/cpu/cooler)

So why is the 2700x better than the 8700k/8086k?



I'd like to mention I actually suck at overclocking so would most likely be running at stock.

I mainly do VR gaming, 4k gaming. No high refresh rate gaming yet. I video edit and emulate rarely.

 

[aoaaron]

Overclocking is the worst thing ever when getting a new pc if you get sucked into it, as it takes days/weeks to get it running right.. But you just cant have the cpu running at stock, you need to get the best speed from your cpu to make your money go a tad further. I dont bother overclocking anything else though, only the cpu.

I normally think I will only overclock when I need more CPU power.

 

[aoaaron]

8700k is still king when it comes to gaming, so if it's solely for that, 8700k wins against the 2700k. If you do a lot of other things on PC, editing, recording, rendering, multi tasking etc then the 2700k will probably be a better shout.

I aim to do 90% of the time gaming, emulation, vr gaming.
10% of the time, video editing [at most]. Even then, I'm not time restricted.

 

[aoaaron]

8700k then, most will do 4.8ghz to 5.0ghz with fair amount of ease. 6 cores 12 threads is enough for your 10% non gaming tasks.

35 game test here, 8700k wins outright in all but a few
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.techspot.com/amp/review/1655-core-i7-8700k-vs-ryzen-7-2700x/

8700k even moreso for emulation.

Thanks guys, will the 8086k do?

Cant find the 8700k for a decent price <400, can for the 8086k.

 

[aoaaron]

To the OP... just buy an Intel system and stop creating threads all over the place. You obviously don't want advice, you just want someone to agree with your brain which has already chosen Intel.

Suck it up, and pay the ridiculous price and be happy you got the best system but got ripped for it... just stop asking the same question over, and over, and over again in various threads.

I apologise for that.


Went crazy last night, sorry for asking ultimately the same question multiple times.


I really hadn't made my mind up though! its just the difference between a 2700x and a 8086k build is only £100 which isn't THAT much compared to what going intel meant in the past i think relative to how expensive everything is.

Quoting Intel as future proofing? Oh lord I've heard it all now.. bwahaha.

Buy a Ryzen rig now, be 4% slower than Intel, next year swap just the CPU and be potentially 10% faster than Intel, probably for a good year or more.

This is a good point but I don't think I'm going to buy a 2700x to sack it off after a year or two.

 

[aoaaron]

Not read the entire thread but I don't see where someone has asked OP what resolution the even game at. Generalisations such as "the best gaming CPU" does not help matters. It may be, but what if OP games at 1440P or higher? It's less important.
Last time I looked the 8700K was 50% more expensive than a 2700X (£300 vs £450). It's pointless really asking "which one if they were the same price", because they're not . At current prices the 2700X is a fairly obvious choice. At same price if someone needs the extra cores for other work they'd go with the 2700X too. If user spends a lot of time gaming at 1080P or 720P, prices the same, does not need extra cores, 8700K.
OP really as a bit of a silly question because it's too simple . Detail every requirement you have in the first post when asking a question then you'll get better advice.

Good point thanks.

I'm mainly doing 4k gaming, VR gaming, maybe ultrawide high refresh rate gaming at some point and the option to do emulators.

Also I can get an 8086k for £390 hence why im kinda comparing it to the 2700x.

 

[aoaaron]

Except it's more than £100. Shopping around, you can find the following:

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory

Total: £557.01

For the saving made, you could literally throw the 2700X when Zen2 is released and buy a new replacement and have spent the same as the Intel kit, don't forget you don't need a stupid high end board for a 2700X since PBO will for the most part give you the best auto-overclock vs. trying to get an extra 50-100MHz manually by adding silly voltage, so you are not wasting money.

Hi Journey, I think I can get an 8086k for £390.
I didn't realise you need expensive high end boards? I found an Aorus Gaming board with wifi for £160ish on the intel side of things.

 

[aoaaron]

Is that new price or used? If used then need to compare with used 2700X price.
It's can be difficult to make the ultimate choice. Even reviews don't cover every scenario and we also don't know if they're flawed in some way too. Problem on forums is that you'll get mixed advice, biased advice, fanboy advice sometimes too .
I don't do VR gaming so can't comment on that. As above there;s no wrong choice IMO. If you can get a 8086 for £390 and just don't mind spending the extra £90, don't need the extra cores then go for it.
In gaming, especially at 4K, nobody is going to notice the difference IMO unless they have two systems running side by side and playing the same game. I don't they'd notice then either. Too many focus on just the numbers, FPS. 8086K or 2700X at 4k, both will be good. At £300 vs £450+ the 2700X however is more of an obvious choice. Also at these prices you could spend the extra £150 on the GPU if you need one too so the 2700X would have better FPS anyway . For gaming the money is best spent on the GPU side of things.

It’s a new price I already have a 2080 on order for whenever it appears

 

[aoaaron]

Damn, now I'm pondering whether to get a 2700X or not. Its £300. The 8086k is £390 although i think i can get another 20 or 30 quid knocked off to make it £360.

 

[aoaaron]

If using emulation a lot then this chart might be worth a look https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...suONtRCte51GHKdgA7ciL76mBs/edit#gid=485052351

TLDR; Ryzen is nowhere near in dolphin.

This is what I've heard! People keep telling me its outdated and Ryzen is amazing for emulation now...

 

[aoaaron]

The 2700X has gone down to £290 now on OCUK. That should be your decision made for you right there. Better buying that or a cheap 2600 as you get the option to drop in a 7nm 3700X next year that will surely be the fastest CPU on the market.

Really? £10 is whats going to swing me?


I'm really torn now between the 8096k and the 2700x.

My issue is I don't want the 2700x to hold me back in VR gaming like Fallout 4 VR. Everyone seems to use an 8700k for that on benchmarks to hit maximum FPS (in general for all games)...

Hmm..... !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB-VkQEyAOw

This link seems to find the intel edging the amd...

And at 4k given how close the 2080 on benches is to 4k 60fps.. i feel like every FPS counts.. !

 

[aoaaron]

You seem to be getting a fantastic deal on the 8086, can the same supplier do such a deal on the 2700x? If not, 8086 is probably your best bet I'd guess.

Nah sadly not. The Ryzen at £290 seems to be the lowest. I'm going to see if I can pull them further down on the 8086k.... ! The free cooler of the 2700x really attracts me at present as its basically another £80.. so overall 180... but... realistically im not sure if I'll stick with the stock cooler as I'm 95% sure I'll have to OC it.



edit:

They've put the 8086k for 380... i know its just £10... lol.


So 8086k for 380
2700x for 290...


Its a decent deal for the 8086k right?

 

[aoaaron]

I'd be looking at the minimum frame times @0.01% / 0.1% for VR, which is where you get nasty judder. Maximum FPS are not as relevant IMHO.

There's quite a bit of anecdotal evidence that Fo4VR runs really well on 2700X: https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/9n8ifq/fallout_4_vr_went_from_barely_playable_to_butter/

Just 2p from a VR geek.

Yup I wish there was benchmarks for that stuff!!! I'm looking around the net.

 

[aoaaron]

So the intel stock shortage is real.

8086k from rainforest discounted to £380 is still out of stock.

Given that Ryzen gives you your own cooler and I don't think I'll be overclocking the chip straight away, I'm now leaning towards the 2700x again given that the saves I will get on the cooler + processor price difference, I could likely invest into a new processor next year IF I feel the need.

Which mobo/RAM would I be getting (preferably I'd like wifi) if I went down the 2700x route?

 

[aoaaron]

Well if you plan on upgrading the CPU at any point at least the AMD platform allows that option ... Cheaper chip overall , money saved on a new board. . the new CPU (next year ) will pay for some of itself comparably . unsure as to why you would want WiFi on a desktop , but other than the better CPU phase config on more expensive board your paying for astetics and features . if your not all core overclocking , and sticking to the stock cooler would make sense to buy a cheaper but decent board ... My Asus TUF x470 is hard to reccomend as it doesn't support multi GPU or have a particularly good VRM but its cheap and can hold a 1.35v 4.1 all core pretty well .

im not close to an ethernet port. i have to use these powerline adapators but i'd rather have the option to just use wifi sometimes rather than plugging in these ethernet crap things and running wires everywhere.

 

[aoaaron]

I went for the 8086k for 380.

Thanks guys.

I might build a second ryzen system next year once the newer stuff drops.

The higher clock speed and edge in gaming convinced me. Especially if I drop down resolution at some point and for vr gaming.


I think ryzen is amazing value but ideally I want to get a 2080 and I think it’ll need every FPS it can get at 4K to hit 60fps.

 

[aoaaron]

For gaming Im guessing a beefier gpu will have more impact then a cpu anyway........ But Hopefully that cpu will last you quite a few years, as Im hopeing not to touch my cpu or motherboard for a good few years to come.

yeah me too. sadly the money i save on ryzen to intel or downgrading CPU will not be enough to upgrade me from a 2080 to a 2080ti.. the price gap is just that big really...