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8800GTS Low Frame Rates

willhub

willhub

willhub

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Hi, I posted abit about this in some other thread but I decided to make a thread about it.

Its becoming annoying today, I maxed out Oblivion at 1400x900 res with HDR and everything at full, and my avarage FPS was around 30fps, dipping to 20fps.

NFSC: Lowest: 25fps, Highest 70fps, avarage 30-40fps (All on high in 16xQ AA/16xAF)
Oblivion: Lowest: 20fps, Highest 50fps, avarage 25-30fps (All on high with HDR, no AA/AF)
Rainbow Six Vegas: Lowst: 15fps, Highest 90fps, avarage 30fps 9All on high with 16xQ AA/16xAF)

Surely my CPU cant be causing the 8800GTS to bottleneck this bad :confused:

Overclocked, Stock, 16xQAA/16x AF.... performance is about the same, no difference reallu :(
 
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oblivion @ 16q will bring the card to its knees with that cpu
rainbow 6 is known to run like a dog on an 8800 gtx let alone anything else


....nfsc i just dont care about :o
 
I dunno, seems a waste to spent money on DDR400 ram :\.

Surely it cant be the ram, it was only at like, 90%, I dont see how it would lower FPS anyway since the Graphics card has 640mb ram onboard.
 
you have a gig of ram and expect games to run smoothly?

Your graphics card has over half the amount of system ram your machine has.....

r6v = killer game, eats systems for breakfast
ob = with 16x aa its another eater
nfsc = loves ram and dc

shove another gig in there and it should fly for a while.

Consider a new cpu though, 8 series put top clocked conroe's through their paces.
 
lay-z-boy said:
you have a gig of ram and expect games to run smoothly?

Your graphics card has over half the amount of system ram your machine has.....

r6v = killer game, eats systems for breakfast
ob = with 16x aa its another eater
nfsc = loves ram and dc

shove another gig in there and it should fly for a while.

Consider a new cpu though, 8 series put top clocked conroe's through their paces.
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pity DDR is dying then isn't it, i mean its getting harder and harder by the day to find DDR on sale anywhere :(
 
as others have said... if your gonna max out quality settings your going to need more than 1gig of RAM to keep it smooth, and sadly that CPU is not enough to keep pace with an 8800 series GPU in some games.

I run oblivion on similiar settings except I have 16x AF on and a few tweaks to increase grass quality, etc. and mostly I'm running 60-100+fps only time it drops below that is deep in the forest with several enemy on screen, which can bring it down to 30.
 
lay-z-boy said:
you have a gig of ram and expect games to run smoothly?

Your graphics card has over half the amount of system ram your machine has.....

r6v = killer game, eats systems for breakfast
ob = with 16x aa its another eater
nfsc = loves ram and dc

shove another gig in there and it should fly for a while.

Consider a new cpu though, 8 series put top clocked conroe's through their paces.
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I said I did not have 16xAA or AF with Oblivion and when I did the performance was the same.

Would I get abit of extra performance if I try to get my CPU to 2.8ghz again? I did not want to really but more DDR ram because for 1gig its like 50 quid, I can get an X2 3800+ for around £60? Or I could wait untill june and get a new motherboard, ram and C2D and overclock the hell outa it.

Ok, just to see that its deffenitly my RAM and CPU, is there any game that will show this, one thats more dependant on the GPU, then I can see how well performance is compared to others.

I ran S.T.A.L.K.E.R. MP Demo, and I think the graphics look better than Oblivion and it was running ok all maxed with 16xQAA and 16x AF, avarage FPS was around 50 but dropped to 35 in one area only, same iwth F.E.A.R, but there both on the same engine right?

God knows whats up with Everquest 2, I have to run that on medium to get good FPS, same as my X800XTPE O_o, Surely EQ2 has got problems and dont need that much of a high end CPU?

If I decided to go buy an X1950XTX instead of an 8800GTS would the FPS be lower in all my games or better because its a less demanding card or something?
 
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I never thought it would be holding it back this much though, I would say its performance is like a 7800GTX at the moment, maybe 7900GTX actually.
 
seems like they only let fly when coupled with an overclocked core 2 which suggests a hell of a lot of CPU bottelnecking. My 3D Mark05 score of 12.5K is comparable to people running stock 6300 and 6400's yet I find that I have similar issues to yourself in that some games still don't seem to run overly well.

People on here that say that they can run any game at max everything on a GTS must be doing crazy overclocks.

Try knocking down the settings a tad on your games. Often, the medium details are virtually indistinguishable to the max details but often the fps is substantially better.

Other than that buy a C2D and overclock it to a fiery hell :D
 
Yea I will get a C2D some time, in the holidays I am gonna go to Morrisons and see if they have any jobs, then I will spend all the wages if I get the job on my PC :p

Also, I just tried that Cascades DX10 demo, and all I can say is WOW, those graphics are awsome, I forced 16XQ AA and 16x AF and it was sooo crisp and sharp, most of the time I was lag free, only when I went near water it was laggy or right close to textures and tweaked with the settings.

If I had a C2D cpu and 2gig of ram would cascades demo be smooth?

Hopefully it means DX10 games should run good on 8800 cards :D

Maybe because the 8800 series are DX10 cards, I might be able to run DX10 games and have them look amazing, even with my crappy CPU and ram :eek:
 
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see what you get in 3D Marks 05 or 06 as these push your GPU hard without pushing your CPU/RAM that much in comparison to most games.
 
In 3DMARK 06 I got 5113, you need a good CPU and Ram for these, it aint just based on the GPU.

Also, is it mostly the CPU why I lag.

I mean I could run Test Drive Unlimited on all max with my X800XT PE, I can with my 8800GTS obviously, with HD, 1440x900 res, but I enable 16xQ AA and 16x AF and it runs like a dog, and my memory usage in game is only around 70%, and I would expect a 8800GTS to handle Test Drive Unlimited at those settings with 16xQ AA and 16x AF.

Infact my X800XTPE got slightly higher framrates in TDU...
 
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Could be because the x800xt doesn't support SM3.0 and hence is running in a lower quality mode.

Personally I've found TDU to be a bit strange, I play in 1680x1050x32 2xAA 16xAF high settings, it runs at around 35-50fps, except for when there is smoke (wheelspins) when the framerate is decimated.

So I tried running it in 640x480 just to see how much difference it made and the framerate only increased by around 20%. Could be that it's a CPU limited game.
 
Because of my CPU my GTX performs like a overclocked CD2 system with a GTS. I'm a little surprised that your CPU is such a big issue though as dual-cored games are not really out yet and that's the main difference between our CPUs.
 
I disabled 16xQ AA and 16x AF, just had the standard 4X AA that you set in game, and my avarage FPS was 30-50 :\, seems abit low, and as I was driving along I had slight freezes, FPS would go down to like 20 and up again super quick, I think that was because of loading, the ram was only at 77% though.

I will try 2x AA and 16x AF and see what I get.

Ok, tried with 2x AA and 16x AF, apart from these annoying split second freezes were the framrate droped to 20 and back up to 30 in like a second, my avarage is around 30-50 and in some places quite level at 40.
 
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Hi will, did u just do a straight swap x800xtpe for 8800 gts unistalled ati drivers then install nvidia drivers? If so a fresh windows install might be a good idea.

What 3dmark scores are u getting try 05 and 06 in my old a64 @2.5 ghz and 8800gts i got 9172 in 05 and 5915 in 06 so you should get a similar result.

In test drive unlimited on my sig below i get 70fps with no aa and 16af, but when i add 4aa and 16af and no hdr it goes down to 30/40fps, i think the stuttering is a problem with the game everyone gets it.
 
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Hey, No I had to do a full re install of Windows because my old X800XTPE was AGP, so I got another motherboard.

3DMark06 my score was around 5813, I am downloading 3DMark05 now.

I will jsut try 3DMark06 now with the GPU Overclocked and see what that returns :)
 
your 06 scores if running at default (1280x1024, 0x AF, 0x AA) with performance quality settings in drivers should be around ~10K with an 8800GTS even if the rest of your PC isn't killer you should still see well above 5-6K with those settings as above. If your running it at a higher res or with FSAA/AF settings then those scores would be more usual.
 
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