9/11 - Controlled demolition?
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willd58 said:
Please DO look at all the facts, debate us on the issue and don't throw insults around just because you don't like some facts and alternative theories, look at how stupid the official story is and how stupid it makes people look who strongly believe in it.
Are you suggesting you seriously don't think the government with all their compartmentalisation and other security measures couldn't keep secrets?
If you care enough to look at the huge amount of corroborative evidence (not just 9/11) and the very obvious state of the world and the stuff not so obvious that goes on then you will see there IS something very worrying going on with powerful organisations (governments, corporations etc) and their efforts to fulfil various agendas, some stuff is right out in the open, do the research for yourself.
Anyone notice the often strong and strange reaction to conspiracy and alternative theories?
In case anyone didn't know, conspiracy doesn't mean untrue it just happens to often create a negative even fearful reaction because of a persons belief systems, i mean who wants to believe there are corrupt forces at work in the very systems and things that have the most control over us?
All most of us ask is that you think for yourselves and look at the information, facts, theories and possibilities, don't take the mass media for truth in all things or expect that your vision of reality is correct, no one wants to believe crap like this is true but it seems we're getting to a time where its better to question stuff than live in ignorance because what is obvious is that the world isn't 'right' yet people still think "oh its human nature" or "oh we're ok in this country" or "i don't care", come on this isn't how things should be is it?
Nicola said:
What exactly is that meant to show?
I can't help being put off that site by the absolutely insane assertion that the second plane didn't in fact exist, all the eyewitness reports were created from hysteria and that the US government now have technology to produce a perfect 767 hologram remotely, and time flying it into a building to coincide with an explosion.
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The ejection of dust/smoke further down the towers is not the result of floors collapsing at that point. When the upper floors collapsed the air was pushed down the stairwells, this airstream was fast enough to knock grown men down several flights of stairs, far faster than 'freefall'. The 'explosions' you are seeing are this air stream escaping from the building through open/broken windows.Radiation said:
No there isn't. You should really go and understand how the WTC was contructed.Radiation said:
The central core held lift shafts and utilities. The poured concrete slab floors were suspended from the outside of the centeral core and the inside of the outer walls, thereby bracing the outside walls to the core.
If the load on a floor was increased, say by the combined mass of the 10 floors above reduced to rubble by the impact of a large aircraft, and the floor ties were weakened by an inferno of jet fuel, plastic, paper and wood, it is perfectly conceivable that the floor would collapse onto the one below.
I still wonder all the same were the plane went to that hit the pentagon. We have all seen on the news of plane crashes and they really do mess the place up and leave wings and what not. Were did it go to?
I would like to see the rest of the camera footage the FBI had taken from various buildings including the one from the gas station just across the road. Its been 5 years, what more could they learn from the tapes that they havnt already
I would like to see the rest of the camera footage the FBI had taken from various buildings including the one from the gas station just across the road. Its been 5 years, what more could they learn from the tapes that they havnt already
Gibbs said:
Watch this Video, It shows what might have happened to most of the plane.
Its only 36 seconds.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8116136404949691010&q=Plane+Nuclear
There was Debree and engines rotors found in the Pentagon aswell.
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saw that a long time ago.Zip said:
staggering video IMHO.
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/waits for the tin-foil hat brigade to reply with the words..."Ah, But..."Zip said:
The problem is even though the Pentagon was reinforced concrete, images have been released that show that the plane penetrated a few of the inner sections. You can even make out the shape of similar width to the planes fuselage going through the buildings.
therefore no way did what happened on that plane video happen to the plane that hit the pentagon.
TBH this thread is getting old now and things are just going round and round in circles covering topics and suggestions that that were made in the first 10 pages.
therefore no way did what happened on that plane video happen to the plane that hit the pentagon.
TBH this thread is getting old now and things are just going round and round in circles covering topics and suggestions that that were made in the first 10 pages.
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The thing with the explanation "For" the Medias acceptance of the catastrophic domino effect caused by the planes impact with the buildings is that it does sound quite plausible when the entire argument is followed. This doesn't mean it's true however.
As with all technical explanations it requires the audience to be tolerable of the science behind the theory. My problem isn't so much with the plausibility of any one theory since you can shape any evidence to basically prove or disprove any given scenario. It all depends on the factual evidence which is being evaluated or the ‘lack of’ in this case.
I believe the real problem here is that the public whilst prepared to tolerate the accepted theory for 9-11 should nonetheless be more demanding of better quality evidence from their leaders.
The public are in a difficult position since most people are too busy with working away at the grind mill of life to have the time to actively seek out all evidence that are out there. Instead we rely on News institutions and the like, which we entrust to act in this endeavor on our behalf.
Even if you don’t have much toleration for the so called “Conspiracy theories” surely it can not be a bad thing to question the motives of the sources of our information as individuals. The story “1984” still remains a warning to society which if not headed will become a certain reality.
Just look at how many of our human rights all over the world are being eroded as a result of the whole 9-11 thing. Is the idea of the “New World Order” really that far fetched? It’s amazing just how convenient a precursor 9-11 was in this ultra right wing endeavor. It’s up to us; if we behave like sheep we will be herded.
As with all technical explanations it requires the audience to be tolerable of the science behind the theory. My problem isn't so much with the plausibility of any one theory since you can shape any evidence to basically prove or disprove any given scenario. It all depends on the factual evidence which is being evaluated or the ‘lack of’ in this case.
I believe the real problem here is that the public whilst prepared to tolerate the accepted theory for 9-11 should nonetheless be more demanding of better quality evidence from their leaders.
The public are in a difficult position since most people are too busy with working away at the grind mill of life to have the time to actively seek out all evidence that are out there. Instead we rely on News institutions and the like, which we entrust to act in this endeavor on our behalf.
Even if you don’t have much toleration for the so called “Conspiracy theories” surely it can not be a bad thing to question the motives of the sources of our information as individuals. The story “1984” still remains a warning to society which if not headed will become a certain reality.
Just look at how many of our human rights all over the world are being eroded as a result of the whole 9-11 thing. Is the idea of the “New World Order” really that far fetched? It’s amazing just how convenient a precursor 9-11 was in this ultra right wing endeavor. It’s up to us; if we behave like sheep we will be herded.
Gman said:
I agree that a plane hit it. I know there was a hole And i know there was Debree was everywhere.
But some of the plane and the parts that were missing would have ever been burnt up or disintegrated on impact or in the explosion
Gman said:
They found Chunks of engine in the Building
There are Photos to prove it.
They got in side with out Making there own small holes in the wall because the wing more then likely folding up under the plane when the hit the wall.
s1lversurfer said:
And by the same token - it isn't automatically false either, even if the US government won't give away everything that they know. You're actually assuming that they do know what happened of course, and that isn't forced to be true either.
Yes, America probably had warnings about an attack that they didn't heed. They may have thought the same way that a lot of people would pre 9/11 if you told them that terrorists would go so far as to hijack planes and run them into buildings. Before that day, terrorists + planes meant the plane either being hijacked for a hostage situation or blown up in the air. They learned just what terrorists would do to attempt to further their cause that day.
no wonder the goverment get away with so much, the majority have there heads in the sand
btw do you ppl really belive that they found a hijackers wallet? beacuse that is the excuse that the goverment used to tie the hijackers to 911 ,i watched it myself on the day of the attack (so do u ppl belive this yes-no?)
oh if a bird can do that much damage think what a steel beams would do
and another strange thing why were rescue workers called in the day before the attacks
as for my spelling im dylexic and basicly i dont care what ppl think about my spelling, i by sell cars for myself and any paper work i have my gf do it (shes in her 3rd year of law) ,i basicly better with dealing with ppl face to face ,i posted here bacuse tbh i cant belive that most of u guys cant see the bigger picture,
it's a realy shame that some ppl are so negitive and i think your a fool if u dont think that there is lets say somthing suspicious
btw do you ppl really belive that they found a hijackers wallet? beacuse that is the excuse that the goverment used to tie the hijackers to 911 ,i watched it myself on the day of the attack (so do u ppl belive this yes-no?)
oh if a bird can do that much damage think what a steel beams would do
and another strange thing why were rescue workers called in the day before the attacks
as for my spelling im dylexic and basicly i dont care what ppl think about my spelling, i by sell cars for myself and any paper work i have my gf do it (shes in her 3rd year of law) ,i basicly better with dealing with ppl face to face ,i posted here bacuse tbh i cant belive that most of u guys cant see the bigger picture,
it's a realy shame that some ppl are so negitive and i think your a fool if u dont think that there is lets say somthing suspicious