9x6 original photo - What can it be blown upto?
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Gimpymoo said:
Seeing as you dont own the copyright it cant.
Technically it depends on the DPi of the scanner etc. However its wrong, and if you do attempt it i hope you get caught because youll be doing someone out of a living and breaching their copyright.
Slime101 said:
Let it goto court then.
"You are accused of scanning and printing a photo of your own child"
I dont want to seem rude, but common sense is all whats needed.
Im allready spending over £300 on ONE photo.
"youll be doing someone out of a living" - Not likely.
I see im on my own here with my opinions so will leave it at that.
Gimpymoo said:
Some of us here are professional photographers, me included. It does get annoying when people try and get around the laws put in place to allow us to actually make a living of something we're very passionate about.
I respect the work of ANY professional and will never intentionally try to rip anybody off, hence the reason me asking the question on here.
Im sure there are fellow professionals in your trade who unlike yourself, would have no problem in using these same rules to rip off the customer.
HOWEVER, as a layman, can you not understand my confusion considering the subject matter?
Im sure there are fellow professionals in your trade who unlike yourself, would have no problem in using these same rules to rip off the customer.
HOWEVER, as a layman, can you not understand my confusion considering the subject matter?
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Gimpymoo said:
I can understand what you mean but tbh in this day and age its a bit annoying for someone to think they own something someone else made just because they asked them to make it. Like I said, you don't own the rights to a cd you buy, or a dvd. Its just normal copyright law.
I paid good money for the photographers time/expertise for the actual photo session and then a seperate fee for the actual photos, some poster size, some standard size.
As a layman, I think it is unfair that I have to pay £20 for a single 6x4 photo to give to family of my own child which will cost a fraction of that to produce, even taking into account the photographers time and materials.
I appreciate the expertise of the professional, although isnt that what I paid for with the cost of the photo session. I was under the impression that paid for his time, expertise, facilities etc.
Also, I have no problem with who owns copyright, that is not the issuse.
I feel the charges are unfair for a single print and are not comparitive to the actual costs, especially in the current digital age. I think excessive profits are made on re-orders. It is as though im being charged a fee for another photo session every time I order a photo? Is that not what I paid for originally?
Finally, my MAIN concern,
Obviously, these photos are a once in a lifetime opportunity, what if I want re-prints in say 10 years time, is the photographer legally obliged to retain the originals? Or can they simpy say "Sorry mate, we got rid of em" and those memories are gone forever?
PS
I have just looked at some of your "HDR" photos - they are amazing
As a layman, I think it is unfair that I have to pay £20 for a single 6x4 photo to give to family of my own child which will cost a fraction of that to produce, even taking into account the photographers time and materials.
I appreciate the expertise of the professional, although isnt that what I paid for with the cost of the photo session. I was under the impression that paid for his time, expertise, facilities etc.
Also, I have no problem with who owns copyright, that is not the issuse.
I feel the charges are unfair for a single print and are not comparitive to the actual costs, especially in the current digital age. I think excessive profits are made on re-orders. It is as though im being charged a fee for another photo session every time I order a photo? Is that not what I paid for originally?
Finally, my MAIN concern,
Obviously, these photos are a once in a lifetime opportunity, what if I want re-prints in say 10 years time, is the photographer legally obliged to retain the originals? Or can they simpy say "Sorry mate, we got rid of em" and those memories are gone forever?
PS
I have just looked at some of your "HDR" photos - they are amazing
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Gimpymoo said:I paid good money for the photographers time/expertise for the actual photo session and then a seperate fee for the actual photos, some poster size, some standard size.
As a layman, I think it is unfair that I have to pay £20 for a single 6x4 photo to give to family of my own child which will cost a fraction of that to produce, even taking into account the photographers time and materials.
I appreciate the expertise of the professional, although isnt that what I paid for with the cost of the photo session. I was under the impression that paid for his time, expertise, facilities etc.
Also, I have no problem with who owns copyright, that is not the issuse.
I feel the charges are unfair for a single print and are not comparitive to the actual costs, especially in the current digital age. I think excessive profits are made on re-orders. It is as though im being charged a fee for another photo session every time I order a photo? Is that not what I paid for originally?
Finally, my MAIN concern,
Obviously, these photos are a once in a lifetime opportunity, what if I want re-prints in say 10 years time, is the photographer legally obliged to retain the originals? Or can they simpy say "Sorry mate, we got rid of em" and those memories are gone forever?
PS
I have just looked at some of your "HDR" photos - they are amazing
Dont listen to the morons above and I agree with what you say 100%. Even as a person who loves photography, I hate all of this excessive charging and copyright bs. I say "let it go to court" as well. Its yours now you payed for it. I would very much doubt that they are under any obligation at all to keep prints for said time. Not their responsibility. I would ask this on a photography forum and say the image is one of your own prints - that would cut the cry baby responses and save you time getting you the info you require. Try dpreview.com/forums
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You'll get told the same - infact, in a much more blunt manner, on a photography forum.
Legally, you do not own the reproduction rights to the photos - therefore you can't go about copying them. Simple as.
Whether £20 for a 6*4" print is excessive is a moot point - it depends on the quality of the photography.
Legally, you do not own the reproduction rights to the photos - therefore you can't go about copying them. Simple as.
Whether £20 for a 6*4" print is excessive is a moot point - it depends on the quality of the photography.
Gimpymoo said:
The digital age makes things faster for some people its true, but for me I can't just take a photo and be done. There is still a level of development that needs to be done, just as there was with film. You take the card, download to your camera then browse the images and convert the best from RAW to JPG. Then load into Photoshop and tweak as needed. I can tell you now that a good photographer will spend more time doing this than your avereage high street 1hr processing store. So you are still paying for development of "film". I do agree that a 6x4 for £20 is a bit OTT, but I can understand his reasons for doing so. Maybe he has expensive overheads and has to cover the costs. If you're not a photographer its easy to criticise that which you do not understand.
I have just looked at some of your "HDR" photos - they are amazing
Thanks
As we have allready ordered the image, I would have thought it would not need to be "edited" again?
I naively thought it would be a case of pressing "Print"? - ROFL
Maybe it might need editing again for different sizes I guess.
Regarding the question of the image being archived, are there any laws protecting the customer, seeing as we are not allowed to have any "backup"?
As you can appreciate, as the pictures are so sentimental, legally, I cannot scan them myself so what if the photographer deletes them after a few years or closes his business?
There seems to be a lot of protection for the photographer but little for the consumer.
I naively thought it would be a case of pressing "Print"? - ROFL
Maybe it might need editing again for different sizes I guess.
Regarding the question of the image being archived, are there any laws protecting the customer, seeing as we are not allowed to have any "backup"?
As you can appreciate, as the pictures are so sentimental, legally, I cannot scan them myself so what if the photographer deletes them after a few years or closes his business?
There seems to be a lot of protection for the photographer but little for the consumer.
Gimpymoo said:
I didn't say anything like that. I talked about the time from taking the photo and getting the photo ready to show to you before you ask for prints.
For good reason too or we'd have everyone doing just what you're doing. Expecting everything for nothing.
cyKey said:
I feel that is unfair.
I DO NOT EXPECT EVERYTHING FOR NOTHING and I am sorry if thats how I have portrayed myself.
I expect to pay a fair price for a fair days work, HOWEVER, I do not enjoy being ripped off as a consumer.
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