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OK, so this is more than just another spec me thread, because I have a few different options of what type of vessel to choose... I shall try and explain.

At the moment I have a VW T4 kitted out as a camper, a fairly basic one at that. I am getting bored of the van as I miss driving for fun, and I haven't had many chances to use it as a camper but this could change when it starts to get warmer, and I sort of think I would miss it come summer time!

I suppose it basically comes down to two options.

Keep the van, come summer time you will love it again. Get sorted down the motorbike route for the pleasurable side of things.

Sell the van, get a car that will be used for work and fun to drive, stop being a wuss and chuck a tent in the boot if you want to go camping.

Considerations;
I'm only 20 and come renewal time will have 3 years no claims... I am finally starting to get some reasonable quotes.
Petrol, as I don't think I do enough mileage to warrant a diesel
Budget, ~£5k for sale of van, plus another £5k that I have saved specifically for car/bike fund but I would like some of that to help with insurance.
Fairly quick and fun to drive, I realise I am limited some what by my age.
Comfortable, cruise control would be great but not essential.
Would also like to hear what I could expect running costs to be for suggested cars.

Here is a few things I have had a browse at;
Volvo's, Mondeo st, octavia vrs, clio 172, 3 series coupes, saloons and touring, even a 5 series!
the variety in performance, price, type, and running cost shows you just how lost I am at the moment.

As I type this, thinking about it maybe a bike is the answer then I can still enjoy summer times in the van?

After typing all this up I'm no closer to an answer, bikers on here your job is probably more of a convince me one! Help me OCUK your my only hope!:p
 
I'd be looking at quicker estates, you're along the right lines with the Volvo T5s, Mondeo ST, Octy VRS, 330i touring etc etc. All good cars.

Gives you plenty driving pleasure and enogh practicality to load up the boot with tents, beer, meat and fire.
 
yeah, there's a few 330i's I like the look of and some 325i's also but am I right in thinking 'that you may as well get a 330' rings true in terms of running costs, but if insurance takes a dip with a 325 then it might be sensible?

There does seem to be more 325s on the market in my price range also.
The old, what should I look out for when buying an e46 touring information is required please :)
 
If you really do get a lot of enjoyment from your van I would be inclined to agree with MikeHiow, why not get a car for £5k, I just paid £5,500 for a BMW 540i Sport, that's a 4.4 litre V8 (plenty of fun there! ...perhaps rather more than necessary if you are used to a diesel van :p ) ...but I do think you would find the insurance a bit too steep for one of those at 20, you wouldn't get a 330CI for £5k but you could buy an older 328CI for that sort of money, tis a very good car and a bit cheaper to run than a 540i and should provide all the performance you could want at 20 ...unless you've been driving some pretty hefty cars I think it'd be a better bet at the moment.

If you wanted to just get a car, then the estate route isn't a bad one if you enjoy camping and such as you get something decent to drive and a big boot. If you don't have any particular leaning one way or another, I would recommend a Mondeo ST220 Estate for you, you could get a lovely one within your £10k budget and pocket a couple of thousand to run it too.

I could go on about how good ST220's are all day, but I will say this, don't own one after owning a BMW, do it the other way around, because you are going to be disapointed by the interior if you do, and some of the little things.
 
Thanks for your input Ian and others. The 3 series touring is an early leader at the moment. Seen some well speced 325i sports for -7k mark, leaving me plenty change for running costs. Insurance comes in at 1400 but with current 2years no claims. Will investigate over the weekend and get a drive in one, though I'm sure like you say moeks coming from a van I'm going to struggle being dissatisfied. I don't really want to run two cars at the moment, it would feel too extravagant! Seems the st220 has been ruled out by the insurers though too :(

Is there any must have extras I should look for on a 3 touring? Cheers
 
I'd be looking at quicker estates, you're along the right lines with the Volvo T5s, Mondeo ST, Octy VRS, 330i touring etc etc. All good cars.

Gives you plenty driving pleasure and enogh practicality to load up the boot with tents, beer, meat and fire.
All good suggestions IMO. Personally I would replace 330i Touring with a 530i Touring. The extra space in the 3 series just doesnt seem worthwhile. Am I right in thinking it'd be a similar size as a focus estate, which I also think are quite pointless.

EDIT- 530d Auto Touring for £7k http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/200952348941000/sort/pricedesc/usedcars/price-to/8000/engine-size-cars/3l_to_3-9l/quantity-of-doors/5/model/5_series/make/bmw/postcode/le11aa/radius/1501/page/1?previous=%2Fsearch%2Fused%2Fcars%2Fbmw%2F5_series%2Fpostcode%2Fle11aa%2Fradius%2F1501%2Fprice-to%2F8000%2Fengine-size-cars%2F3l_to_3-9l%2Fquantity-of-doors%2F5%2Fsort%2Fpricedesc%2Fpage%2F1&logcode=p

and an older higher mileage 530i Touring for £4.5k http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif...ty-of-doors/5/sort/pricedesc/page/1&logcode=p
 
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keep the van and buy a motorbike :) you can get through your test get all your gear, buy a good bike and still have change left over ! and once you buy a bike you wont even care what you drive to work and back :p
 
If you really do get a lot of enjoyment from your van I would be inclined to agree with MikeHiow, why not get a car for £5k, I just paid £5,500 for a BMW 540i Sport,

When did that happen!? I go away for a week and everything's gone mad, MrLOL has a Volvo in his sig rather than a VXR, Rover416i has 2 rovers rather than the allocated 1 and you've got a 5 series now!
 
I don't really want to run two cars, though in reality the van should be very cheap to run. Will see if there is any 330's I can get a test drive in locally this weekend and see what I think after that! Sitting on the train to work this morning and reading about c.cudicini the footballer with 2 broken legs, wrists and other damage made me sway towards cars that's for sure :)
 
Slight update all, and some advice needed.

As I was on the way back from the train station today I spotted a 530i at a local garage.
I got home and checked their website and it looks very good. I'm off to test drive it tomorrow afternoon.

Its a 2001, 530i SPORT automatic with 120k on the clock.

Could the chaps with the knowledge please just give me some pointers on what I should look out for in particular? cheers.
 
Why is everyone suddenly recommending E39's as if its the answer to all the worlds problems? The one monkey_boy posted is typical of the sort of E39 you get for under £5k - its got the wrong front bumper so its obviously had a smash and been repaired on the cheap. These are very hard cars to buy now as they are all 7+ years old and sadly many are now owned by people who cannot afford or are unwilling to look after them.

Have you got a link to the one you are viewing and we might be able to give you some pointers. I take it you are aware these are neither cheap to run nor effortlessly reliable?
 
It's a hell of a lot easier to get a nice 530i than a 540i though, but ...not for £5k it isn't, you need a little more really ...well assuming you want a Sport, if you don't mind having an SE then it should be plenty of money.

When did that happen!? I go away for a week and everything's gone mad, MrLOL has a Volvo in his sig rather than a VXR, Rover416i has 2 rovers rather than the allocated 1 and you've got a 5 series now!

Today, I've spent the last few weeks looking at them. I made thread about it actually.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18110192
 
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Right here we go. First I'll try and pick that to shreds (And if I can't, its probably a good buy!) and then I'll paste my E39 buying guide (Which is a couple of years old now).

No sign of mileage or number of previous owners so I would expect both to be high. They are at the age now where a high miler isnt a lightly used Motorway muncher and is likely to have had a wide range of use and therefore will show wear accordingly. It's had a babyseat in the back which has damaged the rear seat. It is also an automatic which is slower and thirstier than the manual.

Other than that its actually pretty nice - it seems to be absolutely identical spec to mine right down to the fact it has Eagle F1 Assymetrics fitted to its 18" Style 37's. If the condition of the car in the flesh is good and it has proper service history then it might be your best shot at a decent E39. It does have the High Onboard Computer so watch for missing pixels on the dash.

It isn't being sold by a dealer that knows much about them, by the look of it, the advert itself is terrible and tells you virtually nothing about the cars history or specification. Looks to me like an August build car with factory Xenons, 18 inch Style 37's, black Dakota leather and high onboard computer in terms of options. Confusingly it has the Communications aeriel on the roof yet no telephone prep, which is odd. Perhaps a previous owner replaced the snap-in adaptor on the armrest with a standard armrest.

Ok, buying a 530i..

Firstly you've got to be really careful. The best way to buy a good value used BMW is to buy an absolutely immaculate example thats less than 5 years old from its original owner. Unfortunately as time goes by its more and more difficult to do this with the E39 so you need to be a tad more open minded.

These are excellent cars with absolutely fantastic build quality. In terms of build its probably the best BMW have managed and not since it was around, new, has BMW had a car on the market thats been so much better than the competition. This means that condition wise it's very easy to keep them looking very nice and the interior is very hard wearing. This has a few important consequences:

a) You can be fussy on condition - it shouldnt be 'in good condition for age' it should just be in good condition. There are 10 year old E39's out there which look like new inside. Mine is the wrong side of 150k miles and you cannot tell. This means you can, if you are fussy, get a really nice example

b) They are very easy to clock - you can take a 140k mile car, wind it back to 80k, and nobody will suspect a thing. This happens far more often than it should, I looked at at least two cars at auction with high miles which subsequently turned up on Autotrader a few weeks later with less miles on it. The usual 'look for worn out seat' etc etc advice doesnt apply becuase even after 100k miles the seats remain in good condition.

So, be very careful. Insist on Full BMW SH as a) it shows the owner hasn't been the sort to skimp on looking after the car and b) you can verify the history wtih BMW and thus verify the mileage is genuine. In theory if the car detects its been clocked (The mileage is stored in different places in the car) it brings up a red dot beside the mileage on the dashboard but there might be a way round this. Be careful.

c) You don't really need to worry about mileage unless you plan to resell it in a short period of time. This peice of advice becomes less relevant as the cars get older and get more owners as it's far more difficult to work out how the car has been used but I'll say it anyway. These are fundamentally very reliable cars which wear miles very well and are very capable of being in excelent condition pretty much regardless of mileage. Even the common failiure points on them seem to happen at a certain age rather than mileage (More on those later). Therefore, buy on age, condition and history first. Use mileage to negotiate the price.

So, what to look for. Personally, a car with as few owners as possible. Far too many E39's now have 900 owners all of whom have had varying opinions on how much money you need to spend on a car to keep it going. Remember, to most people, a car is worth to them what they paid for it until the day they trade it in. The more they've paid the more you'll hope they'll value the car and thus be prepared to spend to keep it running (There are of course exceptions to every rule but this is a good guide).

Personally, I'd want a one owner from new example but at the age of car you'll be looking at, 2 owners from new with the last owner having had it 2-3 years is probably more likely and thus more reasonable.

As far as the actual interior condition goes, the only areas of wear should be on the drivers side bolster of the Sport seat, and perhaps a little on the steernig wheel. Everything else, dashboard, buttons, gearstick, etc etc is very resiliant and should be showing little signs of wear.

For context, here are some photographs of what the interior of mine was like - 140k miles:




Really baggy seats, scratched leather, etc etc = hard life and/or abuse. Don't buy one from a fat guy as they tend to ruin the drivers seat.

Onto the exterior..

Again, very well put together. Perfect shutlines etc etc, if not, ask questions. Watch for rust. Yes, rust, on a BMW, but there we go. Two areas on the E39 - inside the fuel filler cap, and on the boot tailgate where it meets the bumper. Neither of this is structural, its purely cosmetic, but you can probably use it as a bargaining point all the same. If the car is under 6 years old it's both covered by the BMW Corrosion Warranty.

Wheels - on the 17 inch Sport wheels you do get little patches of corrosion under the laquer. The 18 inch wheels, by far the best, are Diamond Cut and if not cleaned on a regular basis can also suffer damage. Use the condition of these to judge how much the care has been cared for. Tyre sizes are different front and rear so make sure the owner hasn't cheaped out. For reference:

17: 235/45/17 front 255/40/17 rear
18: 235/40/18 front 265/35/18 rear

Rear tyres on the 18's are a bit expensive as it's a stupid tyre size thats shared only with the Porsche 911 C4. Grrr.

Driving...

If it doesn't feel right it probably isn't - the engine should be very smooth. It is here I will mention the E39's biggest bugbear. They are very sensitive to wheel balance and imperfections in the aluminium suspension setup (Be that allignment, worn bushes, etc etc) and this will tend to cause 'the dreaded shimmy' where you can feel a vibration through the entire car at speed. Do try not to accept any car with this shimmy unless you are certain why it has it, becuase it can be any of a number of things. Most common are wheel balance (Most tyre shops cant balance E39 wheels properly becuase they are monkeys) or warn upper/lower control arm bushings.

It will not feel that fast, despite the fact 0-60 will come up in 6.7 seconds and it'll hit 100 in just over 17 seconds, becuase the car is very refined and most of the engine noise etc doesn't make it into the cabin. This is a shame, as it robs the car of the thrill of acceleration, but a quick check of the speedo will remind you that actually, you are going quite quick. Top speed is limited to 155mph but without this limiter the 530i has been known to hit speeds of 156, perhaps even 156.5mph

So what goes wrong and how much is it going to cost you to run?

Well so far my list of things that can and do break is thus:

a) Shimmy. As described above. If its bushes, £250 a side should see it right.

b) COOLING SYSTEM

The cooling system in the E39 5 Series is crap. Not in the efficiency sense, but in the reliability and longevity sense. It WILL fail, usually when the car is between 5 and 7 years old seemingly regardless of mileage. The OEM radiator has a design fault which leads to it splitting at the plastic end tanks and ****ing cooling all over your engine bay. If it doesn't fail like that, then the plastic header tank will split. On the cars you are looking at for this sort of money if it hasn't had a replacement cooling system it's almost certainly going to need one during your ownership.

Replace the lot at once - waterpump, radiator, header tank, upper/lower hoses (May as well) and the thermostat. Budget about £500-£600 for this work.

I hate the cooling system, it is truely the only nightmare I have had with my car. And so has EVERY other 530i owner I know, without fail. But once its replaced you should be ok.

Oh and the header tank is black, so you can't check the level of coolant if the engine is warm. GOD DAMNIT.

c) Propshaft

Most people ignore this. I got a whole new Propshaft out of BMW for it. It's usually just a bearing. The centre bearing or propshaft donut can wear out. You will hear a 'chink' nose as you apply power from 1st or 2nd gear. An indy can fix this for less than 200 quid. Or you can ignore it like Olly has.

d) Climate Control system

The most common failiure here is the Final Stage Resistor, or 'Hedgehog' (Its got a huge heatsink on it that spikey). It fails and your climate control goes bonkers, randomly adjusting blower speed and doing even more impressive things like leaving your internal blower on all night and flatening your battery. A new one is 50 quid, takes 20 minutes to fit, but it can be a bit awkward. If you've got no blower at all its your blower motor, these require the dashboard to come out. This one just cost me 320 quid at BMW.

e) Automatic gearbox

These can fail but I've no idea how common it is. Half the internet reckons its becuase you didnt change the sealed for life gearbox fluid at 100k miles. The other half the internet reckons it's something else or becuase you DID change the gearbox fluid at 100k miles. I don't care as autoboxes are for old people. A new box is a large amount of money.

I can't think of much else off the top of my head, will add later if I do.

So aside from stuff breaking how much will it cost you to run?

Servicing is on a variable system with 15,000 miles as a base. Use it around town/thrash it, and it'll be less. Sit on the Motorway and it'll be more. The servicing order, and prices, are as follows:

Oil Service - £80-170 depending on where you go. You can get them done by BMW for about 130-140 quid including oil if you've got a decent dealer.

Inspection 1 - £250

Oil Service

Inspection 2 - £350

Oil Service

Inspection 1

Oil Service... etc. You get the idea.

You also need brake fluid every 2 years @ £50-£80 and Coolant every 4 years at about the same cost.

Tyres - a full set of decent tyres for the 17 inch wheels will set you back about £500 or £600 for the 18's. If you are a cheapskate ***** you can buy crappy Kumho's or something for less but if you are a cheapskate ***** please buy a different car, thanks <3

Insurance - is Group 17 but suprisingly reasonable.

Tax - is £240.

Fuel consumption. If your name is Olly and you have steel toecap boots you will get 19.2mpg. If your me and you find the Ken Bruce show on Radio 2 really rather thrilling you'll get 37.0mpg. If you are a normal person living in the real world you'll see 30-35mpg on a trip, 18-23mpg around town, and something in the middle in general driving. It takes Super Unleaded.

Bad points?

a) It's too refined. It robs you of the excitement you get from accelerating quickly yet still gets you into license loosing territory far too quickly without you realising
b) The stereo is so awful it's beyond rubbish.
c) Muppets keep buying them and fitting fake shark fins on the roof and stupid 19 inch wheels.

Thats about that really. They do cost rather a lot to run - but personally I think its worth every penny. I absolutely love mine and despite test driving loads of other stuff I've yet to drive a single car which makes me think 'I need this over my E39'. It's the perfect blend of performance, economy, long distance ability, A road handling, good looks without standing out, etc etc. And it even looks like an M5, with factory fit M badges everywhere to suit people like me who really want an M5 but cannot afford one.

Brilliant cars. Just don't buy a bad one, or buy a good one and ruin it with crap replica wheels.
 
Please pick it apart with your expert eye by all means... cheers

http://www.prestigevehicles.co.uk/vehicle-details.asp?RSpage=2&ID=1140483

Oh so you actually did find a nice looking 530i Sport for £5k :D ...I take it back then, in the pictures it looks good, FSH is good, is it full main dealer though? ...specialist or some indepedant Bob's Motors ...how many owners, how many miles and has it had all or most of it's cooling system replaced I wonder ?

That's all I have to say about that one from that advert.

Arhh Fox's reply wasn't up when I hit reply, but yea listen to him, he knows much more than me. But what he said about the advert is true, it tells you sod all really, it may be fine and they just know very little about them ...or they may be hiding something. I don't like that baby seat damage to the back seat though, still ...530i Sport for less than £5k, you have to accept these things now really, unless you are prepared to wait a long time to find a car that may not even exist on the used market until Fox sells his.

The really important thing is to make sure it has a good history, and has been properly cared for a dent in the back seat wont hurt really.
 
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I had noticed the marks on the back seat. and thanks chaps I will take all that onboard and will hit him with all the important questions. will let you know how it goes.
 
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