A laughable statement from intel to AMD

[Jamin280672]

https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/intel-amd-ryzen-3-benchmarks-performance-3870339/amp

Not about cherry picking benchmarks hey......because intel aren't guilty of rigging benchmarks and tests to favour their CPUs are they.....(insert sarcasm here).

Just thought I'd post this, made me laugh, sounds like intel are crapping themselves and need a change of underwear.

Intel are also comparing their new 10nm laptop CPU, to AMDs previous generation 12nm laptop CPU.

 

[Panos]

https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/intel-amd-ryzen-3-benchmarks-performance-3870339/amp

Not about cherry picking benchmarks hey......because intel aren't guilty of rigging benchmarks and tests to favour their CPUs are they.....(insert sarcasm here).

Just thought I'd post this, made me laugh, sounds like intel are crapping themselves and need a change of underwear.

Intel are also comparing their new 10nm laptop CPU, to AMDs previous generation 12nm laptop CPU.

Intel whole argument is against the Zen+ 3700U, while using the wording "Ryzen 3000 series".
Muahahah

 

[Sargatanas2511]

All this is showing is that Intel are desperate and know their backs are against the wall.

 

[smilingcrow]

Intel are also comparing their new 10nm laptop CPU, to AMDs previous generation 12nm laptop CPU.

The Ryzen 7 3700U is current generation so what else should they compare it to?
When are these 10nm chips due to actually arrive in laptops in stores? 2017!

 

[Jamin280672]

The Ryzen 7 3700U is current generation so what else should they compare it to?
When are these 10nm chips due to actually arrive in laptops in stores? 2017!

Im not saying dont compare it to AMDs current chips, im saying dont brag so hard about it when AMD have yet to release there 7nm Laptop chips which they will obviously put up against Intels 10nm.

Its a well know fact that intels 10nm is equivalent to TSMC's 7nm process, not the 12nm, Intel is bragging about the obvious.

TBH I wonder how many security flaws Intel's 10nm comes bundled with this time, thats probably why they've decided not to release it as a desktop chip yet.

 

[smilingcrow]

Im not saying dont compare it to AMDs current chips, im saying dont brag so hard about it when AMD have yet to release there 7nm Laptop chips which they will obviously put up against Intels 10nm.

So when Zen 2 is released will you also be saying this?

"I'm not saying don't compare it to Intel's current chips, I'm saying don't brag so hard about it when Intel have yet to release there 10nm Desktop chips which they will obviously put up against AMD's 7nm."

You can only compare against what is available at any given time and it works both ways.
Although Intel's 10nm desktop chips are unlikely to be worthwhile anyway.

Looking forward to the Zen 2 APUs but will they be limited to 4 cores for desktop or will we see 6?
With so much silicon going to the GPU side I guess the core count will be held back but with 5nm hopefully we will see 8C APUs.

 

[LePhuronn]

Looking forward to the Zen 2 APUs but will they be limited to 4 cores for desktop or will we see 6?
With so much silicon going to the GPU side I guess the core count will be held back but with 5nm hopefully we will see 8C APUs.

It's incredibly unlikely IMO that Zen 2 APUs will be monolithic, so we'll still have a CPU chiplet and a GPU chiplet as per Zen 2's design philosophy. That means, in theory, we could see 8c/16t APUs by simply bolting in a CPU chiplet. It's also unlikely that the GPU chiplet will be Vega based, so it'll be 7nm Navi chiplet.

The question though is exactly what Renoir's package design will be. Lisa Su said quite clearly that there will be no GPU chiplet on Matisse - i.e. the current desktop package design. That could just be as simple as the GPU chiplet needs a different pin layout, so the substrate has different traces. Or a Navi chiplet couldn't match the CPU chiplet's dimensions.

If the latter then perhaps we'd only get a 4c/8t APU because the chiplet has been physically cut in half (and only 1 CCX therefore) which gives the GPU chiplet 50% more space.

That doesn't feel right to me given that AMD would need to make dedicated chiplets for the APUs, which kinda flies in the face of this standardised chiplet approach.

Meh, who knows!

 

[smilingcrow]

It's incredibly unlikely IMO that Zen 2 APUs will be monolithic, so we'll still have a CPU chiplet and a GPU chiplet as per Zen 2's design philosophy. That means, in theory, we could see 8c/16t APUs by simply bolting in a CPU chiplet. It's also unlikely that the GPU chiplet will be Vega based, so it'll be 7nm Navi chiplet.
The question though is exactly what Renoir's package design will be. Lisa Su said quite clearly that there will be no GPU chiplet on Matisse - i.e. the current desktop package design. That could just be as simple as the GPU chiplet needs a different pin layout, so the substrate has different traces. Or a Navi chiplet couldn't match the CPU chiplet's dimensions.
If the latter then perhaps we'd only get a 4c/8t APU because the chiplet has been physically cut in half (and only 1 CCX therefore) which gives the GPU chiplet 50% more space.
That doesn't feel right to me given that AMD would need to make dedicated chiplets for the APUs, which kinda flies in the face of this standardised chiplet approach.
Meh, who knows!

The mobile versions would look to be monolithic as wouldn't that save power if it was all on 7nm and be less silicon and allow a smaller package size?
It seems asking a lot for a Zen chiplet to scale from a sub 10W laptop chip up to a 200W+ server chip so I imagine the Zen 2 APUs will be monolithic even for desktop.
Maybe at 5nm they can start to look at chiplets for APUs and even then for 15W and under I wonder if monolithic might still be more power efficient!

 

[LePhuronn]

Ah, I thought you meant desktop APUs. My bad. Yes, mobile is a different kettle of fish entirely so I'd expect them to be monolithic, even on a 5nm node and smaller.

Thinking on it more though, you have the CPU side covered with chiplets already, but you'd need a GPU chiplet and an I/O die (with corresponding substrate) to tie them together. So in actuality, there's only 1 out of 4 components in common with the rest of the Zen 2 family.

So is it cheaper and/or less effort to retain the chiplet design and make 3 parts exclusive to APUs, or take the CPU core design and apply them to a monolithic entity? Hmm...

 

[humbug]

The Ryzen 7 3700U is current generation so what else should they compare it to?
When are these 10nm chips due to actually arrive in laptops in stores? 2017!

I think the point is Intel are saying AMD's comparisons are wrong when what AMD are doing is comparing Zen 2 to Coffeelake while what Intel are doing is comparing IceLake to Zen+

It's a play on the readers ignorance, your average reader doesn't know the difference between a 3700U and a 3700, of course there is a huge difference and Intel are not even comparing the same architectures AMD are.

It's just Intel BS, desperate stuff crying "we are still best" when what they are doing is comparing AMD's old architecture to Intel's newest that isn't even available on the Desktop and doesn't compete with Zen 2.

 

[smilingcrow]

I think the point is Intel are saying AMD's comparisons are wrong when what AMD are doing is comparing Zen 2 to Coffeelake while what Intel are doing is comparing IceLake to Zen+

I understand at least some of the slight of hand nuances by Intel but both are on one level doing the same thing which is comparing unreleased products with the current release of the competitor. I was just pointing out that this aspect is normal as some seemed to think this in of itself was shady.

 

[jigger]

I think it stems from AMD showing a protein folding test that Intel wasn’t happy with. Intel wanted AMD to test against a dual Xeon 9282 that was paper launched and might not be available until 2020 ish. Essentially Intel wanted AMD to wait 6 months.

 

[muon]

When is their 10nm laptop CPU actually coming out? How much does it cost?

AMD announced both.

AMD made genuine comparisons everyone wanted to see, 9900K, SkylakeX etc. Not sure where the cherry picking was.