A10 5800K w/ Dual Graphics Question

OliverDavis

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Hello,

A friend of mine has just bought a prebuilt PC from a competitor. It has the following spec;

CPU: A10 5800k
Mobo: ASUS F2A85-M
HDD: Seagate 1Tb 7200rpm Sata3
Opt: 24xDVDrw Unbranded Drive
RAM: 4x4 GB RAM Kingston DDR-3 PC1600 (4 Module)
CASE: Generic Gaming Case
PSU: Unknown until delivery

This costs a total of £359.00 without OS,

He wants it for gaming but was very budget limited and would not wait. I recommended finding something with the A10 5800K in as its a good starting point if he cannot afford a GPU. It seems to have a decent MoBo, HDD, Ram (would have been better if 2133Mhz) and obviously CPU as the built in GPU is good enough for most games a low/medium @ 1920x1080.

1. Is it good for the price?

2. What kind of FPS will he expect in; Arma 2, Minecraft, GTA IV, Saints Row the Third, BF3?

3. The PSU is likely to be crap, but what would be the recommended Wattage for this PC?

4. Will the stock cooler suffice for a little OC? or is an aftermarket one desperately needed?

After buying it he informed me he still had roughly £55 left, so I told him to buy a Asus HD6670 1GB for £53 to run Dual Graphics, knowing this should bring him up to reasonable gaming specs, but how much is this likely to improve his build?

Lastly, he is hoping to buy a decent dedicated card in the future, at which point he will deactivate the iGPU, and OC more. Is this CPU likely to bottleneck a 7850 if OC'd to 4.4Ghz?

Many thanks

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Just to add, He wanted to buy prebuilt as he would be clueless otherwise, no matter how many building videos and guides I push at him, trust me, I tried. Any other prebuilts you can point at providing better specs for the same price?

I know we are not allowed to link competitors, just tell me the specs and price and Ill google.
 
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h88p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8knB4DxEwiU

give him an idea ask him to watch that, dont normally do utube myself and most of the time wouldn't link someone to it either just incase it's fake etc

but for the price quoted he could have done a lot better im sorry to say
 
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Look for a 2nd hand 1GB 460 or a 6850, we see them go here on our MM for ~£50. The 6670 in hybrid Xfire isn't going to be as good as using one of these "Old" GPUs
 
Just to add, He wanted to buy prebuilt as he would be clueless otherwise, no matter how many building videos and guides I push at him, trust me, I tried. Any other prebuilts you can point at providing better specs for the same price?

I know we are not allowed to link competitors, just tell me the specs and price and Ill google.
 
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OliverDavis said:
Just had a look at a comparison.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/613?vs=542

Seems the 1Gb 6670 is 2/5s of the card a 1Gb 460 is, so in dual graphics we would be looking (including scaling) 7/10s of the performance of a 460. With the 460 being an extra 50% on price most places I've looked. Seems arguable either way :)
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Tut tut.....you didn't look at the clockspeeds did you? Pretty much any 1GB 460 should easily get to 850Mhz (benchmark was done at 675mhz), my EVGA one is at 900Mhz max. I know you can OC as you have pushed your 560Ti harder :) You also should know that Nvidia adds PhysX and CUDA support too
 
zakblood said:
i'll let honosuseri do you one as mine are always worst than his

but i would have gone for this one myself

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-270-OK

or

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-265-OK

or this week only, too late for your m8 i know,

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-210-OK
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The Intel one seems alright.

The Primo 6100a seems too low spec for the cost as the CPu would need upgrading to keep up with any higher end card that could be fitted into the budget, meaning you would lose £80 upgrading CPU, making GPU choices very low.

The Titan 8000a Krypt has the FX-4100 which is slower than the A10 5800K, has no iGPU, but apparently onboard. But with the left over (Budget £420) you could add in a 5450, which is terrible compared to the 6670, or buy a second hand card.
 
honosuseri said:
Tut tut.....you didn't look at the clockspeeds did you? Pretty much any 1GB 460 should easily get to 850Mhz (benchmark was done at 675mhz), my EVGA one is at 900Mhz max. I know you can OC as you have pushed your 560Ti harder :) You also should know that Nvidia adds PhysX and CUDA support too
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No I did not look at OC, sorry about that, didnt realise they were that good!

And yes I have pushed my 560ti. Recently reapplied thermal compound, used Arctic Silver 5 as thats what I had laying around, very careful not to get it on the PCB due to silver particles, Its dropped temp by 7'c. Meaning I could bump the clock to 1015Mhz with 1.049vcore. Temps hit 88'c with custom fan profile, but rocket to 97'c with nVidia's. No thanks, I already have a heater in my room.

So I have a few profiles, 900Mhz with lower Voltage and Fan Profile. 975Mhz for night time gaming as its quieter (Only just) and 1015Mhz for Mid day, unless its hot otherwise I go with the 975Mhz profile.

I also use an overclocked GT430 as a PhysX Card, fairs well on Borderlands 2 when me and the GF want to play Co-op, I have to use a modded launcher though to allow the game to run twice to connect through local host.
 
The only GPU I am happy to recommend new would be a 2GB 7850 at £150ish.

The 1GB 460 is now discontinued but frankly it held it's own against both the 550/560 (not your GPU though) and even the 650 if overclocked. The 768Mb and the SE editions aren't worth bothering with, My EVGA 1GB SC was factory overclocked to 765Mhz (iirc). I still run it in my HTPC as with the new drivers I still find it capable. I bought it here for £100 a little over a year ago (3 year warranty from EVGA)

People are selling them off whilst they are still "good". £50ish is a good asking price, then they can pay out an extra £100 to get a 2GB 7850 and cop the free games with it.....everyones a winner ;)

The spec he has ordered doesn't seem that bad, granted we don't know what the PSU is. On a £400 budget or lower I tend to always spec trinity builds, that intel prebuild is using the H61 mobo which lacks sataIII, the A85 mobo has sataIII and HDMI output and allows overclocking too......which is nice :)

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I never bother with the prebuilds I just spec components, I realise he doesn't like the sound of doing it himself but this is what I would have probably suggested

YOUR BASKET
1 x AMD A10-5800K Black Edition 3.80GHz (Socket FM2) APU Trinity Quad Core Processor (AD580KWOHJBOX) £95.99
1 x Gigabyte F2A85X-D3H AMD A85X Chipset (Socket FM2) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £61.99
1 x Toshiba (7K1000.D) 1TB SATA 6GB/s 32MB Cache - OEM (DT01ACA100) £51.98
1 x XFX Pro 450W Core Edition '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply £43.99
1 x Patriot Viper "Black Mamba" Generation 3 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-15000C9 1866MHz Dual Channel Kit (PV38G186C9K) £41.99
1 x NZXT Source 210 Elite Midi Tower Case - Black £39.98
1 x OcUK 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £13.99
Total : £364.02 (includes shipping : £11.75).

 
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honosuseri said:
The only GPU I am happy to recommend new would be a 2GB 7850 at £150ish.

The 1GB 460 is now discontinued but frankly it held it's own against both the 550/560 (not your GPU though) and even the 650 if overclocked. The 768Mb and the SE editions aren't worth bothering with, My EVGA 1GB SC was factory overclocked to 765Mhz (iirc). I still run it in my HTPC as with the new drivers I still find it capable. I bought it here for £100 a little over a year ago (3 year warranty from EVGA)

People are selling them off whilst they are still "good". £50ish is a good asking price, then they can pay out an extra £100 to get a 2GB 7850 and cop the free games with it.....everyones a winner ;)

The spec he has ordered doesn't seem that bad, granted we don't know what the PSU is. On a £400 budget or lower I tend to always spec trinity builds, that intel prebuild is using the H61 mobo which lacks sataIII, the A85 mobo has sataIII and HDMI output and allows overclocking too......which is nice :)

EDIT

I never bother with the prebuilds I just spec components, I realise he doesn't like the sound of doing it himself but this is what I would have probably suggested

YOUR BASKET
1 x AMD A10-5800K Black Edition 3.80GHz (Socket FM2) APU Trinity Quad Core Processor (AD580KWOHJBOX) £95.99
1 x Gigabyte F2A85X-D3H AMD A85X Chipset (Socket FM2) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £61.99
1 x Toshiba (7K1000.D) 1TB SATA 6GB/s 32MB Cache - OEM (DT01ACA100) £51.98
1 x XFX Pro 450W Core Edition '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply £43.99
1 x Patriot Viper "Black Mamba" Generation 3 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-15000C9 1866MHz Dual Channel Kit (PV38G186C9K) £41.99
1 x NZXT Source 210 Elite Midi Tower Case - Black £39.98
1 x OcUK 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £13.99
Total : £364.02 (includes shipping : £11.75).

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That is oddly exactly what I specced him when he originally asked. He then asked how much would OCuk charge to build it and after looking round the forums it would be cheaper for me to get a train ticket to him 300miles away, build it, go to lunch while testing, then go home. But being budget and technically limited, he decided pre-built..
 
OliverDavis said:
That is oddly exactly what I specced him when he originally asked. He then asked how much would OCuk charge to build it and after looking round the forums it would be cheaper for me to get a train ticket to him 300miles away, build it, go to lunch while testing, then go home. But being budget and technically limited, he decided pre-built..
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Great minds think alike and all that Jazz lol

Shame he is put off by doing the build. We are always happy to help talk people through and post video tuturials etc.
 
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