ACAS or Small Claims Court?

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I am helping someone to bring a claim against an employer and would appreciate input from anyone who has experience of a similar situation or works in hospitality and may have seen this situation before.

The person is a Ukranian refugee and I believe they have been deliberately taken advantage of.

He got a job as a kitchen porter in my local pub on minimum wage (£6.83ph).

On starting the job their NI number hadn't yet been issued, so he was allowed to work and "bank" their hours. After a few weeks they were told he could not work any more hours until the NI number came as he had banked too many hours (fair enough). A letter sent by the pub stated he had banked "close to 100 hours".

Soon after, the NI number was issued and provided to the pub.

Fast forward a month, and the pub has not paid them for all the hours worked. In total he has been on shift in the pub for 77 hours and received total pay of around £143.

He walked out following a meeting about the pay, where the pub told him they only had 47 hours on record for him to be paid, because he wasn't being paid for hours when there was no pots to wash because the pub was quiet...................!!


So first off - He was on shift and on the premises for the full shifts apart from one occasion when he was sent home (accounted for in calculating what he is owed), so my view is that it doesn't matter that the pub was quiet and there was no pots to wash. He has to be paid. That's like saying the checkout at Tesco was quiet so they aren't going to pay the cashier. Smacks of exploitation.

Secondly, I was going to go down the route of the small claims court, but was wondering if there is any advantage in approaching ACAS? I have never had cause to use them or be involved with them before, but have used the small claims court successfully.

A letter before action has already been sent. I have also approached the local council licensing department to look to put pressure on this establishment.


Thanks
 
Yes he is 18 so minimum wage is dire.

The humanitarian department at the council have sparked an interest with him being a refugee.... Not sure what they are doing but as soon as they heard about it they wanted details, so they may help to add some weight.

Will look at the ACAS process first then I think.
 
I have the local press up my sleeve - Not going there yet as 14 days was given in the letter before action, but certainly a strong option if payment isn't forthcoming (which I know it isn't).

It is a combination of malice and total incompetence. Excuses have ranged from there being a new accountant (I believe this to be untrue as the accountants are the correspondence address listed on companies house for the LTD company and it hasn't changed), to not wanting to put it all through in one go because he will pay too much tax (BS.....) and "I was in a meeting where we told the accountant to make the payment so it should have been made".

I have given the lad the money out my own pocket to see him by and I don't really care if I get it back or not, but it is about the principle and what is right.... this kind of thing makes me mad and I will see it through til the bitter end with them. Also making sure that everyone I know ceases to eat there in protest.
 
If he needs "proof" of days/hours worked you might want to look at his location history in google/apple etc - can tie that back to hours he's onsite etc compared ot the 47 they reckon. Then go to the papers

Excellent - Hadn't thought about this if it came to the "he says / she says" of proving he was on shift. I am sure the paper rotas will have been conveniently filed in the bin by now.

Council came back to me and they have taken an extreme interest in the case... licensing and environmental health departments have both been informed.....
 
What powers do those three organisations have in respect of unpaid wages?

None. However I am sure no pub wants to have the bother of council departments putting increased focus on them. Anything to help move along the payment being made is helpful. Hopefully they will see what is a very small amount as not worth the hassle of holding back on.........
 
£126 showed up two weeks ago. Nothing last week. Waiting to see if anything appears tomorrow.

ACAS have been in touch and waiting to hear back on if they have agreed to engage or not.

Held off on the press for now.....
 
So we now have a resolution on this.

Pub didn't respond to Early Reconciliation and so we went ahead with the Tribunal request. A date was set for January. This seemed to panic the owner who then all of a sudden responded and agreed that he has been underpaid, although not to the level we have claimed.

He disputes discrimination on any grounds and whilst it is pretty ******* obvious to any sensible person that they have tried to take advantage of the situation, it was pointed out to me that the onus would be on us to provide evidence of this being the case, which is very hard to do.

Whilst the suggestion from the pub of the unpaid hours doesn't match our assessment and given the discrimination claim won't be upheld, the chap has decided to settle and take the offer of the figure suggested by the pub. It's still frustrating, but at least he is getting the bulk of what he is owed and now there is no need for the hearing.

What is good though, is that I have told A LOT of people locally, who have all now stopped eating there out of their disgust of how they have treated this young man. And having dealt with a number of the colleagues that work there it sounds very much like a full compliment of staff who you would not feel sorry for if the place went under. Not nice people.

So I would call it a half victory.
 
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