Acid attacks

Rossi~ said:
Kinda like when Menezes ran to board the tube you mean?
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Slightly different wouldn't you think? If a car with blue lights is following you for a while most likely they want you to stop. Also you're on a moped and the police car wasn't after you it would quite easily over take you.

Menezes wasn't challenged for one. In a place with heightened terrorism alert and on a system where terrorist attacks just took place. Yes there was police incompetence but let's not pretend a high street scumbag on a ped in your local high street is comparable to that. After all I don't know many undercover ARU that get the call out for moped crime.
 
balky12 said:
Slightly different wouldn't you think? If a car with blue lights is following you for a while most likely they want you to stop. Also you're on a moped and the police car wasn't after you it would quite easily over take you.

Menezes wasn't challenged for one. In a place with heightened terrorism alert and on a system where terrorist attacks just took place. Yes there was police incompetence but let's not pretend a high street scumbag on a ped in your local high street is comparable to that. After all I don't know many undercover ARU that get the call out for moped crime.
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I thought they announced themselves? If not, then you're correct.

I'm not sure there'll ever be an effective way to tackle moped criminals, though the commissioner did come out and say that they will pursue regardless of whether the assailants are wearing helmets.
 
Rossi~ said:
Kinda like when Menezes ran to board the tube you mean?
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Poor analogy.

The whole point of the Menenzes operation was that, since he was suspected of being an active suicide bomber, he could not be given any possible warning.

Our hypothetical suspected Moped Mugger would be being pursued by a patrol vehicle for at least some time with Blues and twos before he got rammed.

If you fail to stop for the Police when it is clear that they want you to do so, you deserve all you get...
 
Orionaut said:
If the rider of the Moped is failing to stop, then it isn't the wrong Moped..
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indeed, you should be pulling over when you see blue lights behind you regardless, even if all you'll achieve is letting them get past you safely to whatever emergency they're going to.

that applies to fire engines and ambulances too, if there's one thing i hate its folk holding up ambulances.
 
Rossi~ said:
I thought they announced themselves? If not, then you're correct.

I'm not sure there'll ever be an effective way to tackle moped criminals, though the commissioner did come out and say that they will pursue regardless of whether the assailants are wearing helmets.
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TBH I'm not 100% sure on the actual circumstances on the Menezes thing with any confidence. So much misinformation.

But on topic, you're right it is hard, but around my area there has been a definite surge in moped related crime. Gangs are clearly more visible. Most of the time it's just anti-social behaviour.

But like the change of knifes to acid it's changed to mopeds because it's easier to get away with.

Start knocking a few of these kids off their mopeds and the vast majority will stop. Only one winner in a car vs moped situation.

Now acid and mopeds are being used together, **** their rights and the possible injuries they might sustain from police 'brutality'. They clearly don't care about their victims with the use of acid.
 
balky12 said:
So how comes historically it was allowed? Change the law back to how it once was.
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The law largely hasn't changed in this respect, the way police are investigated and held to account for their decisions and actions and put on trial by the media has.

Rossi~ said:
though the commissioner did come out and say that they will pursue regardless of whether the assailants are wearing helmets.
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I'm fairly sure she hasn't and it would be wrong for her to say they will because officers have no legal protection if it goes wrong.
 
One thing I would like to see is better compensation for true victims. If you are physically maimed, scared, disabled for life, your life as you know it is over. Your quality of life is low, so much so that some are driven to suicide. These victims of random attacks like this ought to be compensated so they are set for the rest of their life.

I'm sure having to pay out those sort of sums would make the Government and local authorities be a bit more inventive, in tackling this sort of crime.
 
Orionaut said:
If you fail to stop for the Police when it is clear that they want you to do so, you deserve all you get...
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Being rammed off the streets and possibly being killed? I think some people on here having been reading a bit too much Judge Dredd.
 
Well I definitely agree punishment for throwing a caustic substance, using it as a weapon, whatever, should be raised inline with knives, as of tomorrow... She could read that out at PMQs. It's unarguable.

I don't know how your average urban moped chase goes down but I suspect it's heavily in favour of the smaller, agile, pavement mounting thing.
 
TheVoice said:
I'm fairly sure she hasn't and it would be wrong for her to say they will because officers have no legal protection if it goes wrong.
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Police will continue to pursue escaping moped thieves, even if they take off their helmets, Britain's top police officer has warned.
Scotland Yard Commissioner Cressida Dick said: "We haven't reduced pursuits. There are a lot of myths around this. People think if they take off their helmets we will stop, but that's not true.
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https://news.sky.com/story/police-a...-thieves-after-rise-in-violent-crime-11107127

Whether the context has been lost, I'm not sure. Could be that they pursue by other means.
 
Well

http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/09/boy-a...s-delivery-drivers-london-identified-7214621/

Collins acid attack was bad, and he got 20 years for it. But it was basically only a single attack that happened to involve multiple victims.

This little turds attacks are far, far, worse.

He carried out multiple premeditated attacks involving multiple victims as part of a premeditated series of armed robberies, and from what I read elsewhere, he carried them out while on bail as a result of other violent offenses including arson.

The "I didn't appreciate what I was doing" defense realty doesn't wash. and I find it hard to comprehend how any defense barrister could support a claim like that with a straight face, I really do. The "He's only 16/17" crap doesn't wash ether. He is a seasoned serial criminal with multiple violent offenses to his name.

What we need here is some savage sentencing for acid throwers, widely published such that there will be no excuse whatsoever for not knowing what the consequences of this sort of action will be.

Since he is facing the same Judge that handed down Collins 20 year sentence, we can live in hope. But I am still prepared to be disappointed...:/
 
Acid being what it is, a hazardous substance, should come under much tighter regulation regarding purchasing. You can't just walk into a store and buy a gun or some TNT. Likewise, acid should require some form of license or background check. Lets face it, the average household has no need for acid.

That being said, and my caveat is that I'm not a chemist, It's probably easy enough to synthesise using household products.
 
It is, but accessibility and does play a part in how popular attacks have gotten. If you wanted to, you could mix your own, but less people would mix their own then buy it off the shelf and less people would come out with something as caustic.

Restrictions are there to discourage these crime fads as much as directly preventing them through denial of sale.

The media did its bit to popularize the idea, advertising how nasty it is while describing how easy it is to get. I see no reason why the more dangerous substances cant be sold over the counter in hardware stores. I am doubtful that corner-shops or supermarkets will care much or take a big hit. Some have even removed the sale of some products to avoid the trouble associated with crime or small children causing accidents(the supermarket that removed drain cleaner due to a customer complaint that it was on the bottom shelf).
 
Sliver said:
Acid being what it is, a hazardous substance, should come under much tighter regulation regarding purchasing. You can't just walk into a store and buy a gun or some TNT. Likewise, acid should require some form of license or background check. Lets face it, the average household has no need for acid.

That being said, and my caveat is that I'm not a chemist, It's probably easy enough to synthesise using household products.
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Try cleaning your drains using a cup of tea.
 
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